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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 21, 2013 14:38:36 GMT -5
Also,
We said that any minor leaguer that played even ONE game in the FHL must be signed to a major league contract.
500k is the threshold / minimum for Major (Big Club) contracts ?
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 21, 2013 15:42:16 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 21, 2013 15:42:50 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 21, 2013 15:52:23 GMT -5
Also, We said that any minor leaguer that played even ONE game in the FHL must be signed to a major league contract. 500k is the threshold / minimum for Major (Big Club) contracts ? Close. You must either sign them to a Pro contract or release them out right and they would become UFAs. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 21, 2013 16:29:42 GMT -5
Wow...I thought for sure they were on the HOOK and had to be paid...
With the ability to just drop them...we will continue to see teams just plugging minor leaguers into the game to avoid injuries to their marquee players like a bunch of teams did this year.
It 'games' the system.
It doesn't seem realistic either.
Does the NHL use this same method ?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 21, 2013 18:37:28 GMT -5
Wow...I thought for sure they were on the HOOK and had to be paid... With the ability to just drop them...we will continue to see teams just plugging minor leaguers into the game to avoid injuries to their marquee players like a bunch of teams did this year. It 'games' the system. It doesn't seem realistic either. Does the NHL use this same method ? This rule is in place to keep underpaid players from being used/abused perpetually. If the guy is good and has a card that is worthy of being used in the FHL then the guy should be worth signing to a pro contract or letting someone else do the same with him. The NHL uses two way or one way contracts that behave differently on players depending on their age/tenure in the league. The NHL is also real and the dynamics of this interaction do not need to be coded into an already complex simulation. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 21, 2013 20:56:48 GMT -5
This year, 2-3 teams made an ART FORM out of using AHL players to play games while their fragile superstars rested for the playoffs.
This is unrealistic.
We cannot let this keep happening.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 21, 2013 21:04:53 GMT -5
This year, 2-3 teams made an ART FORM out of using AHL players to play games while their fragile superstars rested for the playoffs. This is unrealistic. We cannot let this keep happening. Back it up with some numbers son. What superstars exactly were rested and what did this team/teams win? |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 21, 2013 21:34:09 GMT -5
You really didn't see anyone doing this ?
One team used a minor league goalie while all THREE of his major league goalies were healthy.
If I have to provide more info....than just forget it.....
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 21, 2013 22:07:22 GMT -5
It was definitely agreed that minor league contacted players were only to be used in emergency cases. Is there a way to restrict teams from calling these players up? Maybe it could be coded in that they have to be given some sort of pro contract if they are called up to the big club. Just throwing out idea's because I have to agree with Phil on this one. The player I specifically noticed being used this season was Joe Vitale...63 gp with Seattle on a 225k contract.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 22, 2013 7:15:51 GMT -5
You really didn't see anyone doing this ? One team used a minor league goalie while all THREE of his major league goalies were healthy. If I have to provide more info....than just forget it..... You specifically stated guys were used to protect guys tat were fragile. So in this instance you are referencing which fragile goalie was he trying to keep from getting injured? Quick fort 10, Lindback fort 10 or Crawford fort 10? If he was far enough ahead in the standings to rest some of his top players good on him. Now the fact that he turned his lineup upside down and played his 4th line as his first when he was playing his buddy now that begs the question of integrity but that is another subject altogether. The fact that he did use Caron in this game means that he will have to sign him to a pro contract or let him go. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 22, 2013 7:26:46 GMT -5
It was definitely agreed that minor league contacted players were only to be used in emergency cases. Is there a way to restrict teams from calling these players up? Maybe it could be coded in that they have to be given some sort of pro contract if they are called up to the big club. Just throwing out idea's because I have to agree with Phil on this one. The player I specifically noticed being used this season was Joe Vitale...63 gp with Seattle on a 225k contract. Scott, There would be additional work needed on the engine to add this restriction. Again, the reason we have this rule in place is to keep a undervalued minor card from being used in perpetuity. Example I have Danny Dangler who I picked up as roster fill for 100k and he is in my farm system. Whoa, the little bastard has a breakout year int he minors and spends half his time up in the NHL the year I pick him up. Next year his card is Joe Vitale like (30/21/28). Great, no, but usable as a 3rd or 4th liner. Next year he is slated to make 150k and I pay him the coin and use him in the bigs for however many games. The following year I need to either pay the man a pro contract or let him go. If we didn't have this rule and Danny Dangler would continue his ascension in both the NHL and FHL cards I could sign him the following year where lets say he had a 40/20/37 card for 225k, the following year for ~335k all while using his bad-assed card. This is what the rule is in place to protect from. The fact that a 30-21 guy was used for 63 games for 1 year really doesn't bother me too much, if at all. Thoughts? |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 22, 2013 9:32:59 GMT -5
It does bother me a little but I can live with whatever the rule is, I was just under the impression that a player couldn't be used unless he had a pro contract. I know this is unlikely but let's say Danny is picked up at 100k and spends the year in the minors in the FHL but tears it up in the NHL. The way the rule is now, I can use his 40-20 card for a year at 150k. I just kind of felt that if we wanted to use a guy on our roster, we should have to pay him a pro deal. It's not like a kid can't impress a team in training camp and make the big club, but we already know ahead of time which players are going to make the roster. If you're good with the possibility of a really good player breaking a line-up for a season at an extreme value, then we move ahead with the rule as is. Can we make sure it is written in the rule book this way so everyone is clear? I've been with the league since we started and I was certainly a little unsure on this.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 22, 2013 9:57:46 GMT -5
It does bother me a little but I can live with whatever the rule is, I was just under the impression that a player couldn't be used unless he had a pro contract. I know this is unlikely but let's say Danny is picked up at 100k and spends the year in the minors in the FHL but tears it up in the NHL. The way the rule is now, I can use his 40-20 card for a year at 150k. I just kind of felt that if we wanted to use a guy on our roster, we should have to pay him a pro deal. It's not like a kid can't impress a team in training camp and make the big club, but we already know ahead of time which players are going to make the roster. If you're good with the possibility of a really good player breaking a line-up for a season at an extreme value, then we move ahead with the rule as is. Can we make sure it is written in the rule book this way so everyone is clear? I've been with the league since we started and I was certainly a little unsure on this. I can certainly make sure it gets added. The problem with coding any changes is that the engine will actively go out and bring a player up based on a need if there is no uninjured players on the big roster to fill a spot. This means that an owner could have a guy called up by the simulation and not by his owner doing. Also, an owner may need to sign a late blooming NHLer that is in his minor league system so that his 1st contract runs out before he turns 30 and becomes a much less valuable commodity. In the grand scheme of things we are talking about a Joe Vitale here not a Sidney Crosby and it is not unheard of to have guys on an NHL team that grossly out perform their contract value. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 22, 2013 10:27:59 GMT -5
Agreed and I'm fine with the rule, was just unclear on it. To be fair, however, in the future if we are talking a much more valuable card, the same should apply.
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