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Post by John-Michigan on Sept 27, 2013 7:25:08 GMT -5
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Sept 27, 2013 8:50:05 GMT -5
Wooooo not fair to me I had to trade to get under the cap I would have loved to keep the 4 guys I traded for Brodeur the rule is the rule I didn't know it either but now have learned Glenn u would be opening up a can of worms here if u give anyone new or old guys a break
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Sept 27, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
Let's just get rid of the rule.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 27, 2013 9:09:57 GMT -5
Wooooo not fair to me I had to trade to get under the cap I would have loved to keep the 4 guys I traded for Brodeur the rule is the rule I didn't know it either but now have learned Glenn u would be opening up a can of worms here if u give anyone new or old guys a break Anyone who has been here for over a year should have seen the flurry of posts listed above but I will give the new guys some slack because I did not have the langauge in the FHL rules. I have also floated a trade proposal to Detroit to help him get under the cap. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 27, 2013 9:11:25 GMT -5
Let's just get rid of the rule. That option is not on the table and even if it was, would not impact the current years rules and thus the 3 teams who are out of compliance. |
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Sept 27, 2013 9:20:17 GMT -5
Let's just get rid of the rule. That option is not on the table and even if it was, would not impact the current years rules and thus the 3 teams who are out of compliance. True. But we would not have GMs thinking that they have more room in the cap because of the misreading of the rule. Keep it simple. Keep it as real or close to the NHL as possible. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 27, 2013 9:27:59 GMT -5
That option is not on the table and even if it was, would not impact the current years rules and thus the 3 teams who are out of compliance. True. But we would not have GMs thinking that they have more room in the cap because of the misreading of the rule. Keep it simple. Keep it as real or close to the NHL as possible. I would argue that this is a simple process. The issue we are dealing with was caused because I was operating under the assumption that people were reading the posts (highlighted above) as they were being made and did not have a LTIR section documented in the rule book. |
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Sept 27, 2013 10:07:50 GMT -5
guys dont u read all the post......... GLENN AND I HAVE HAD LTIR TEX MESSAGE BACK AND FORTH SINCE AUGUST 25TH ..........WAKE UP NOW..... AS MUCH AS I LOVE BRODUER AND HE IS AN UPGRADE AT GOAL,,,,,,,, THE RULE IS THE RULE I HADE TO GET UNDER THE CAP BUT NOW THAT 3 TEAMS ARE BELLY ACHING WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS MID STREAM....DAMN THAT DONT SIT WELL WITH ME U WANT TO CHANGE THINGS U NEED TO DO SO NEXT OFF SEASON ...NO MULLIGANS NEW OR OLD GUYS ....I DIDNT KNOW THE RULE BUT BEING INCOMPITANT IS NO EXCUSE FOR A MULLIGAN ....THE 3 TEAMS NEED TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES AND TRADE PLAYERS THEY DONT WANT TO MOVE TO GET UNDER THE CAP ....LIKE I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Sept 27, 2013 10:24:01 GMT -5
I see both sides here. We should not open the floodgates all the time and give out mulligans left and right, but at the same time, the rules here are sometimes hard to find and/or interpret.
I guess there would be another shit-ton of coding, but wouldn't it be awesome to have a toggle to self initiate an IR'ed player at any time during the season and then have all the other conditions and rules apply.
I guess I'll just throw the old oft-used chestnut out there again...mirror the NHL. It may not be the easiest to implement at times, but boy is it fun and accurate when we do it right.
If we need to put this to a formal 'franchise vote' , then if there was truly an absence of the IR rule /wording in the Rules subforum here....I would have to vote mulligan based on that alone. Not happy aboot it, though, as I feel we need to run a 'tough' league.
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Sept 27, 2013 11:14:01 GMT -5
Why do we need the LTIR rule?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 27, 2013 11:22:37 GMT -5
guys dont u read all the post......... GLENN AND I HAVE HAD LTIR TEX MESSAGE BACK AND FORTH SINCE AUGUST 25TH ..........WAKE UP NOW..... AS MUCH AS I LOVE BRODUER AND HE IS AN UPGRADE AT GOAL,,,,,,,, THE RULE IS THE RULE I HADE TO GET UNDER THE CAP BUT NOW THAT 3 TEAMS ARE BELLY ACHING WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS MID STREAM....DAMN THAT DONT SIT WELL WITH ME U WANT TO CHANGE THINGS U NEED TO DO SO NEXT OFF SEASON ...NO MULLIGANS NEW OR OLD GUYS ....I DIDNT KNOW THE RULE BUT BEING INCOMPITANT IS NO EXCUSE FOR A MULLIGAN ....THE 3 TEAMS NEED TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES AND TRADE PLAYERS THEY DONT WANT TO MOVE TO GET UNDER THE CAP ....LIKE I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe, the new guys may have read it but not fully grasped it's meaning. That is fine. Also, bad on me for not having it in the league doco. I will get that corrected. The way I look at the new guys are getting teams that are in various states of disrepair. If someone gave me the option of having a team and building it for 3 years or inheriting someone elses cast of players and having an ability to put 1 dude on LTIR a few days early I would opt for the previous situation. Scott, the reason we have it is to mirror the NHL as closely as possible. They have a LTIR provision and we have one that is very similar. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Sept 27, 2013 11:42:45 GMT -5
It's not good enough to say it's not in the rulebook. Joe is right, he was forced to get under the cap via other means and the same rule should apply to every team, new or old. Hell, I've been here since day one and I wasn't aware of this stipulation.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 27, 2013 11:59:32 GMT -5
It's not good enough to say it's not in the rulebook. Joe is right, he was forced to get under the cap via other means and the same rule should apply to every team, new or old. Hell, I've been here since day one and I wasn't aware of this stipulation. Scott, you have been around since day 1. One thing I would suggest you consider is the shear scope of this simulation. Hell, the fact that you didn't even know this rule should tell you something about the complexities of the sim. It is my opinion that it is not something that someone new can easilly adapt to. That being said, the fact that I didn't have this in the rulebook (where a new guy could expect to find something like this and the subtleties of using it) creates an undo burden on the new guys to conform to league rules and processes. Because I, and the league as a whole I would argue, have agreed to offer muligans to new players in regards to first trades and or transactions I do not see this as a particular stretch. Again, we are talking about putting someone on LTIR a few days early, not giving them some exceptional advantage. All, we are all big boys and all have learned that life isn't always fair. If someone feels that their team is being slighted in some way because of this ruling and this is the worst thing that has happened to you in the past xx (weeks/months/years) then please do consider yourself blessed. |
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Sept 27, 2013 12:18:15 GMT -5
Glenn your always the voice of reason like king Solomon BUT last week u told me about the LTIR rule and that it was in place so teams couldn't load up on free agents then LTIR a player on there team with a fortitude of 2 or less a team needed to be under the cap and once the season started THEN they could LTIR a player .... When u explained this to me I said ok I didn't bitch I didn't say oh I never seen it in the rules I said to myself it's coming from Glenn so he knows what he's talking about and must be 1000% correct .... So with that I made the best trade I could to get under the CAP ..... I now have no backup goalie 1 million less in cap space and no 4th line winger oh who was the best defensive forward in the league 39 at def .... And your going to give three teams a mulligan one that is my bro but been in the league two yrs lol were is my mulligan I played by the rules u said existed now they don't exist and I'm left holding my junk lol you got to be kidding me I did the right thing and got under the cap I suggest no mulligan and the three teams do the same
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 27, 2013 12:23:42 GMT -5
Glenn your always the voice of reason like king Solomon BUT last week u told me about the LTIR rule and that it was in place so teams couldn't load up on free agents then LTIR a player on there team with a fortitude of 2 or less a team needed to be under the cap and once the season started THEN they could LTIR a player .... When u explained this to me I said ok I didn't bitch I didn't say oh I never seen it in the rules I said to myself it's coming from Glenn so he knows what he's talking about and must be 1000% correct .... So with that I made the best trade I could to get under the CAP ..... I now have no backup goalie 1 million less in cap space and no 4th line winger oh who was the best defensive forward in the league 39 at def .... And your going to give three teams a mulligan one that is my bro but been in the league two yrs lol were is my mulligan I played by the rules u said existed now they don't exist and I'm left holding my junk lol you got to be kidding me I did the right thing and got under the cap I suggest no mulligan and the three teams do the same Joe, Read my posts above. Your brother does not get a mulligan. Only the new guys do. That being said, you would have been forced to make a move (possibly the very same move you made) because you wouldn't have receieved a mulligan either. Glenn |
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