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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 29, 2016 9:36:38 GMT -5
If there a limit? Say I'm competing for a championship but only have 2 mil in cap space and need Malkin can I bid 2 mil with 100 FP and sign Malkin for 1 year 2 mil?
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jun 29, 2016 10:02:09 GMT -5
I'm interested in how the process adding the FP to your bid will work as far as the website goes. I'm presuming that in addition to the part of the bidding page where you select your bid there will be a new drop-down menu for the use of FP?
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jun 29, 2016 10:05:27 GMT -5
If there a limit? Say I'm competing for a championship but only have 2 mil in cap space and need Malkin can I bid 2 mil with 100 FP and sign Malkin for 1 year 2 mil? Based on the math I saw that's still only a 7 million bid, I'm guessing there is a chance someone might still be able to beat that, at the very least they'll bid more than 2 million, so based on what I have read so far on this thread you would be on the hook for what the highest competitor bid, (i.e. another team bids 6 million, you would still win under your 100 FP-augmented bid but would still be saddled with a 6 mil Malkin) |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 29, 2016 10:06:43 GMT -5
A solution would to be to line out the 1 year rule. A winning bid is a winning bid. Let the team sign the the player out as seen fit to by the team. At least that would be more like the NHL. That would be fine if the intent was to allow GMs to trade their FPs for cash. This isn't the intent. The intent is for teams to be able to influence the ability to keep a player while maximizing the amount a player stands to make (since we don't have agents). This represents the good will that has been garnered between an organization and a player. In order for teams and the league to be competitive, I think it is important that these FPs (where the better teams earn more than the weaker teams) are not a tool to further the gap between the two. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 29, 2016 10:07:36 GMT -5
Also one caveat. You don't own the UFA however he was on your team all of the previous year I'm assuming, this would be someone you acquired at the trade deadline, whom was a UFA when you traded for him ( Rental )? But, you decide he may be good long term/retain worthy ( ie: Anisimov this year...  ). <<<<<<Subliminal advertising there Rentals are not impacted. The guy had to be on your team all year to be able to spend these FPs on. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 29, 2016 10:09:04 GMT -5
If there a limit? Say I'm competing for a championship but only have 2 mil in cap space and need Malkin can I bid 2 mil with 100 FP and sign Malkin for 1 year 2 mil? Chances are no. If no one else bids on him he is yours for 2M per and you spend 100FPs. If someone else bids 6M on him, he is yours for 6M for one year and you spent 100 FP. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 29, 2016 10:13:05 GMT -5
I'm interested in how the process adding the FP to your bid will work as far as the website goes. I'm presuming that in addition to the part of the bidding page where you select your bid there will be a new drop-down menu for the use of FP? Correct Jed. When bidding on a UFA(FP) that you had last year another drop down box will be displayed of FP you want to spend for insurance. This will default to zero. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 29, 2016 10:18:02 GMT -5
Good Discussion....Lets draft!!!
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 29, 2016 10:20:58 GMT -5
I'm interested in how the process adding the FP to your bid will work as far as the website goes. I'm presuming that in addition to the part of the bidding page where you select your bid there will be a new drop-down menu for the use of FP? Correct Jed. When bidding on a UFA(FP) that you had last year another drop down box will be displayed of FP you want to spend for insurance. This will default to zero. I guess similar to this, were term limits defined for bids. Can you pay 10 mil to keep 1 year hope card goes down and sign him lower next year |
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 29, 2016 10:46:35 GMT -5
You lose FPs whether you win that bid or not.
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 29, 2016 12:11:29 GMT -5
Unless we get more FP in a season, trades will die.
However, I do like this. Simulates 'player loyalty', you get a chance to keep your franchise guys. Will make next offseason very interesting with Crosby hitting UFA.
Has any thought been given to having two separate piles of "trade fp" and "retention/team fp"?
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 29, 2016 12:57:47 GMT -5
So, if I read this correctly, any fp submitted as insurance will only be spent if the team who previously owned the UFA wins the bid and retains him?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 29, 2016 13:10:10 GMT -5
No. Once they are spent on the player they are gone.no matter if they were needed or not
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 29, 2016 13:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 29, 2016 14:30:46 GMT -5
Gotta ditch the 'only one year signing'. Not only is it unrealistic, but people can game the system but spending a tiny amount of their f'points and this could potentially cock block a team or multiple teams into only being able to get a player for one year.
You had discussed the ability of the team that team the UFA last played for, be able to 'retort' , i.e UP their franchise points amount to cover and surpass the current high bid. THIS is VERY realistic as it creates the ability of the last time to make a last ditch 'home town' effort to keep their boy.
Like young Matthew said, this mechanic is probably going to lead to either:
1. Less trades. Less trades is bad because we are at an awesome sweet spot of realism with trades right now DUE to how well the F'point system was working
2. No a lot of UFA f points bidding - as people would rather hold onto their f points for trades and just almost ignore the newly proposed system and just try to bid the 'old way'.
in short....a possible NICE idea but too disruptive and the big one.....too much of a take away from the already precarious f points for trades system.
I think it needs some work, is all. The season is way too deep already and with the draft and people wondering about expansion....seems like a rushed roll out.
of course I may as well have hit another key on my surface 'board because I just gave the entire above paragraph 'the kiss of death', meaning if 'Phil thought of it, or said it, then Glenn refutes or disregards it'.
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