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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 16, 2019 18:20:00 GMT -5
No, it's not. I'm a middle of the road franchise, I've been to the conference finals and I've sucked, bad. I don't have a ton of fp's because I'm fairly active in the trade market, but I understand that if I'm gonna need those points to sign a guy I want to keep (the same option every other GM has) then I'm either gonna have to be less active for a year and retain those points or get my trade partners to foot the fp portion of the trade. No, it's not realistic that a free agent is going to sign a deal and then get traded but something very similar to this does happen. Would it feel better to everyone if we were allowed to trade a UFA's rights and then let the other acquiring team solely negotiate with them ala Kevin Hayes. Either way the player is not hitting the market. Two things need to addressed in a Sign and Trade. First- The FP's need to match the contract amount. In other words, it shouldn't be a generic 75 FP's ( actually I don't even know what the Rule is for FP's/Price, does anybody? ) Second- The Traded for UFA must be retained by the team acquiring him for a minimum number of years. Brings to mind, don't we already have a rule in place that if you sign a player for over 6 Mil, that he must be retained for some period of time? Maybe reaching there. Sorry I don't remember all of the "fine points"...I'm only in a Fantasy League and not a real life Attorney. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 16, 2019 21:31:14 GMT -5
Talking FP should we have half our pts by now We will get FP before UFA phase begins. Even young Christopher will be able to sign his one UFA. Everyone will get to sign one provided they have the $$. |
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jul 16, 2019 21:34:54 GMT -5
Thought is was when the trade window opened so teams could make trades
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 17, 2019 8:19:44 GMT -5
Talking FP should we have half our pts by now We will get FP before UFA phase begins. Even young Christopher will be able to sign his one UFA. Everyone will get to sign one provided they have the $$. Not after that trade last night... |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 17, 2019 11:36:36 GMT -5
I will check FP allotment in the next day or so. I know in the past we divied out 1/2 of the points early in the off season and 1/2 later. Perhaps they all should be disperesed up front so teams can spend the points to sign a UFA. I think I threw 60 or 65 FPs out for year 1 of UFA signing and not the 75 Chris stated. I think the plan is to bump this cost to 75 or so next year.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 17, 2019 12:02:36 GMT -5
all at once may be easier and more efficient.
When F points were 'born', they were used directly to limit the crazy trading shit that was prevalent at that time and were almost perfectly 'dialed in' in their allotment amount. Seemed right and curtailed the 'double' trades ect.
then the F points allotments increased by almost 100%
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 17, 2019 12:54:19 GMT -5
I will check FP allotment in the next day or so. I know in the past we divied out 1/2 of the points early in the off season and 1/2 later. Perhaps they all should be disperesed up front so teams can spend the points to sign a UFA. I think I threw 60 or 65 FPs out for year 1 of UFA signing and not the 75 Chris stated. I think the plan is to bump this cost to 75 or so next year. Young Christopher read “75” somewheres. 65! Dang, way too low! |
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jul 17, 2019 13:11:47 GMT -5
Let me start off by saying I love this league .... it was free great it went to $20-$25 no prob .....fantasy points never liked them but went with it if it was for the better of the league .... UFA able to resign using such fantasy points I didn’t like to start with ... ok if it’s for the better of the league ok ..... but honestly like a few owners I never met but know good besides my brother .... I don’t like it I don’t like to be able to keep a UFA but I’ll play by the rules we all go by .... it will be a plus and minus for me next year ..... I feel being able to keep UFA’s benefits the good teams not the also rands with all this said what is done is done I’m not going anywhere but this UFA trade buyout benefit on a player needs to be straightened out and set in stone what we are doing going fwd .... I know guys want this to be like the NHL .... STOP this is a fantasy league ... extreme yes ..... but still a fantasy league and can’t be like the NHL totally because of the fact THERE are no agents there is no home town discount on free agents there is no true reality besides what the players stats are ok I’ve said enough I hope this is understood
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 17, 2019 13:36:28 GMT -5
I will check FP allotment in the next day or so. I know in the past we divied out 1/2 of the points early in the off season and 1/2 later. Perhaps they all should be disperesed up front so teams can spend the points to sign a UFA. I think I threw 60 or 65 FPs out for year 1 of UFA signing and not the 75 Chris stated. I think the plan is to bump this cost to 75 or so next year. Young Christopher read “75” somewheres. 65! Dang, way too low! It was lowered for this first year so that just about every team could have an opportunity to use this the first year. That being said 60 or 65 FPs isn't chump change*. Because this was discussed late last season teams really didn't have a chance to prepare for it. Many had spent a lot of their FPs on trades. I see the cost of this transaction most likely going up to 70 or 75 next year but think it might level off there. *Well it was for Scotty-NJ the one year who insisted I divest all of the FPs he had left. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 17, 2019 13:47:03 GMT -5
The more accurate description of Glenn's baby here would be 'Hockey Simulation' or Hockey Sim.
A fantasy league, rotisserie league, keeper league ect is what 90% of the goofy public use and just uses 'points' and 'scores' ect.
The GHL is head and shoulders apart and BETTER because it uses the ENTIRE game and league, played as close to the NHL as possible.
I think a GHL owner poll would come back close to 90% saying 'want the GHL to simulate the NHL as much as possible'. Now that said, of course we cannot get it perfect or even really really close but we try and that doesn't mean we throw our hands up and just cave it to a bunch of other stuff. We ever strive for an accurate NHL league and gameplay experience.
I do agree with Joseph on the F points and the 'creep' of them, using them. I think the league will tighten up and see F points 'finding their appropriate level' that works for all and makes the simulation work it's best. Baby steps and incremental roll-outs.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jul 17, 2019 14:37:43 GMT -5
Phil I’m not saying it’s not a great hockey sim because it is I’m saying we can never make it 100% like the NHL is all ..... I’m not bashing the league I’m just saying things have been done that I didn’t like but not a prob I’ll play by such rules .... things I don’t like just to be clear is fantasy points and resigning UFA’s but I’m smart enough to look at it from both points of view and understand why both things were implemented ......I’m fine with how things are done if it betters the league
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jul 25, 2019 11:29:03 GMT -5
Way cant we have a sliding FP cost. The young kid you like that has not made it should not cost the same as a Superstar.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 25, 2019 11:45:52 GMT -5
It's not meant as a tool to keep marginal players year to year, it's expense is directly related to the fact that it should only be used on the guys you really want to retain.
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Post by Mike - Montreal on Jul 26, 2020 20:18:16 GMT -5
Just wanted to touch base and confirm this rule, and this seems like the best thread to do it in:
If a 2021 UFA is traded, it must be before the start of the new season for the acquiring team to use FP to retain them.
Are these transactions still allowed?
Yea or nay?
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 26, 2020 20:33:09 GMT -5
Just wanted to touch base and confirm this rule, and this seems like the best thread to do it in: If a 2021 UFA is traded, it must be before the start of the new season for the acquiring team to use FP to retain them. Are these transactions still allowed? Yea or nay? Actually, If Team A "Currently" owns a UFA, and that UFA has the availability of being re-signed by Team A; Team A "Is Required to use their own FP's to first re-sign that UFA. After he is re-signed using those FP's, THEN he may be traded to Team B." If it is a Sign and Trade deal, Team B can let Team A know the terms upon which Team B would like Team A to re-sign the UFA to. Pretty sure, this is how it goes. Wording might be a little confusing. Sorry. |
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