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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jun 8, 2017 8:47:19 GMT -5
Maybe reword TAG. Everyone thinks football when you read that.
How about a period before our UFA starts. Have a deadline for when you can let the league know who you want to enter negotiations with. X amount of FP talk to players. If you got 3 players you want to talk to it would cost you for each one. You want to talk to Stamkos but you just can't afford him so you you choose another player. Just more than one option for the team.
Asking prices can go off a the card value of asking year. Average 5 card amount for that card range. (70-75 76-80) or something along that line. Along with X amount of FP. The higher the money the more FP it cost.
We can't worry about players having down years. The way we do contracts the player will get payed. The longer the contract the more it cost. If they don't sign them out the player will be on the market again soon enough.
I say let them sign as many players as they can. FP cost and Cap will limit this from happening. So be it if a GM manages his cap and FP so that he can do it and make a hell of a run at a cup. After all this is a game And we all want a cup.
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jun 8, 2017 9:06:08 GMT -5
You guys are talking about top players what about if you want to resign a not so top player or a young kid who just has not made it yet? I think we already have RFA and bridge contracts to deal with such players. If you want to resign a middling performer because you think he might be something then no one will make it to unrestricted free agency. if you have a "young guy" who you bridge and resign in restricted free agency after you've drafted him that's up to 9-10 years depending on if he has a card to start or not. You don't think that's enough? If a player hasn't figured it out by the time he's 28 is a team really going to be signing him long term before finding out his market? How often does a middling player often play out 15+ years for the same franchise compared to a real franchise player. You guys who have been around a while seem to distrust free agency and I can see why, there has been very little to go around until the last year or so. All of a sudden we have a chance to drive parity with legitimate free agency that should tear apart some of the teams that have been powerhouses for the last few years, allowing bottom dwellers to finally get a shot at good players or getting a leg up by being smart with there cap and you want to shut it down. It's like you look at your teams and start seeing stars up and down your roster and you get gold fever, you gotta keep them all to yourself because only you know their true value. I know I'm in the minority's that doesn't even want to see something like this but if we have to do it I think teams should only have the option for the best possible players and that it should cost you so much in terms of franchise points and cap dollars so that only guys like Crosby or the Sedins (maybe not at this point but of the last few years) get these kind of deals. Real top line franchise players. I don't want to see a team resign half his guys just because he can when they're slotted for UFA, that's unrealistic and the cap by itself should have torn that team apart but because of different discounts the rich suddenly get richer. I know that was a long rant more so than anything but if you want this league to have some real parity you'll make this a costly process. We're finally about to see some good UFAs the next few years and now you want teams to be able to resign everyone. From what I can tell this league has had a few strong teams that have lasted over the years because they really haven't lost anyone and haven't had to pay very many really good but not great players. We're about to see an end to that and you want to go back to the way it was before. TL/DR - you'll destroy UFA and never have parity, leaving the bottom dwellers to stay that way forever, overpaying for crappy talent just to get by while their counterparts laugh their way to the playoffs with cheap talent, only giving up their scraps when they know they've gotten everything they can out of a player. It seems to me that most GM don't like this because they wont have a shot at overpaying the top talent. Not for nothing top guys don't hit the market that much in the NHL. The rich get richer because all the low lvl team keep trading their top 10 picks away for that one player that might make his team better and ooo look it did not happen. Look at this year 2 out of the top 3 pick got traded. FP cost, cap space and player limit will make it so that team will loose players. Look at Halifax no fucking clue what Ian will do. But their will be some good players hitting the market. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 8, 2017 9:09:08 GMT -5
I agree with Jon that is should be extremely expensive to retain a UFA. So much so that teams should have to save FP for multiple seasons in anticipation of resigning a UFA.
In my Toffoli example 85 FP to resign him to an 8.5 mil contract. As of right now only 5 teams have 85 FP to spend, that I'm sure will go up when this seasons are added. We could even do something like 15 FP per million bringing cost to resign a player with a card like toffoli to 128 FP. That amount would ensure most teams will only be able to use the retain once every other year max.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 8, 2017 11:47:29 GMT -5
Boys. I just want to be clear and level set expectations. I know there are a lot of ideas being floated about but any changes like this would have coding ripple effects to the far corners of the league (web site, contract logic, bidding logic, player status logic, etc) and any agreed upon improvements would have to mean that the sum positive impact would have to far exceed the coding time it would take to effect these changes.
I don't want to throw cold water on the discussions because I think they are good, I just want everyone to be aware of the above stipulation.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 8, 2017 12:33:58 GMT -5
Glen, if I can't change the cost of attendance to keep Colorado fans from messing up my brand new stadium, while giving Barkov half the profits from every salmon filet sold to keep him in Seattle for the next 10 years, and you don't give Sissons a first line card then what am I doing this for?
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 8, 2017 13:06:25 GMT -5
Would it be difficult to generate an asking price for individual players seperate from the actual website?
Maybe a week before UFA starts owners can request the asking price on one potential UFA. If Johnstown wanted to know Crosby and found out his asking price and whatever percent increase was 12 mil + whatever (hopefully) large amount of FP and wanted to proceed could we manually change contract year.
Again I hope that it is so cost prohibitive that this only happens a handful of times a year total and rarely if ever done more than once every 3 years by a team.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 8, 2017 13:13:00 GMT -5
Given coding issues I'm not sure we will be able to tie anything that involves bidding into UFA retainment. Unless we just use current system to increase bid with FP but let them sign out long term.
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 8, 2017 13:21:58 GMT -5
Given coding issues I'm not sure we will be able to tie anything that involves bidding into UFA retainment. Unless we just use current system to increase bid with FP but let them sign out long term. As I mentioned in the op, the coding is the end all say all. That's why I'm so big on the tag pitch. It could be coded as an extra RFA process for the retaining team. Once we get the leagues collective tags, perhaps on a dedicated tag thread, the fp get deducted, and process similar to how we handle minimum contracts can occur. Correct me if I'm wrong Glenn, but I think it could be done by copying processes we already use in contract processes. |
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jun 10, 2017 12:53:51 GMT -5
Shhhhh if we dont talk about it it will go away
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 10, 2017 12:59:45 GMT -5
Shhhhh if we dont talk about it it will go away A good distraction would be releasing the cards  |
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 10, 2017 13:01:08 GMT -5
Oh nonono. I'm going to politely bump this and the ye olde tymers league from time to time until you guys get rid of me.
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jun 10, 2017 13:08:08 GMT -5
Oh nonono. I'm going to politely bump this and the ye olde tymers league from time to time until you guys get rid of me. So I should talk bad about it than... |
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jun 10, 2017 13:09:09 GMT -5
Shhhhh if we dont talk about it it will go away A good distraction would be releasing the cards Cards good |
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Dec 19, 2017 20:01:06 GMT -5
Simple. Spend 50 franchise points to retain the right to top the best (winning) UFA offer at +10 percent. So Joe Blow UFA goes on the market. You announce you want the right of best offer. He goes for five million. You have the right to keep him at 5.5.
Would that make sense?
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