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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 26, 2020 18:56:17 GMT -5
OK, after a recent (and a bit salty, on my part) conversation with the Commish about this year's cap raise (or lack thereof), I want to bring up a point that I have brought up several times in the past. Why are we using the NHL cap numbers to fill a 45 man roster? We use the same cap the NHL uses except we have to pay ~22 more players than they do. Yes, we get a whole 2.5 million more than the NHL does. WOW! Do you want to know what that 2.5 million is? It's 5 5th round picks! Did I mention we have to pay approximately 22 players with that money? Sure, you could have 0 draft picks in your system and cycle out 100k nobodies every year. You would have 300k to spare, after all. Sure, you could collect a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners on your pro team so that you could afford to pay draft talent. Should either of those be how we have to build a team? No, I do not want to encourage overspending in any way, however, 2.5 million to flesh out 22 players doesn't get you much. I'd be interested to see if any team in the league is spending 2.5 million or less on their minor leaguers (New York is currently ~12.7 for 16 players), I almost guarantee that not one team is within that limit. I remember a discussion years ago where we were at the NHL cap plus 5 million, although I couldn't find it on the boards. Even that would be slightly better. Since we've discussed being unable to implement a waiver system, can we at least move to the NHL cap plus 5 million? For the love of Hockey, please. I would love to hear others opinions on this topic.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jun 26, 2020 19:01:32 GMT -5
Scott I’m in agreement a larger cap for minor leagues would be welcome
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jun 26, 2020 19:49:57 GMT -5
Cap goes up but so do asking prices. Get on one side but lose on the other.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 27, 2020 7:04:18 GMT -5
As I state year in and year out it is all relative. 100M cap star makes 10M. 1B cap, star makes 100M. Therefore changing the cap number does not address the issue.
I have also stated in the past that if we want to change something it is the monetary value of contracts assigned to drafted players. I know I have floated an idea in the past that drafted players salaries do not start providing cap hits until they have played X number of games in the NHL. Until then they could be treated like prospects.
By addressing the issue in this manner, it gets to the root of the perceived problem and not a symptom.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 27, 2020 8:27:39 GMT -5
I understand Scott's frustration relating to a "realistic approach to salary's/Salary cap".
I understand Glenn's point re:relativity, and I agree on both.
The recent trend for GHL GM's is one where you have some GM's taking the approach in signing all of their starters ( top 15 or less ) to Large dollar contracts. A put all your eggs in one basket approach. A Rich get richer approach, if you will. Spending all of your monies on the your Top 9 Fwd's, Top 4 Def and 2 Top tier Goalies, and then spending 100k on filling the "required 45 man roster".
Is this a circumvention? No. Is this building your team? No. Is this Winning? For the savvy GM, more times than not.
My solution: For once and for all, CREATE the GHL-AHL. Make it pertinent to have a minor league team. Make drafting and acquiring a "Future" for your franchise worthwhile. Give/Get FP's for your minor's. This in turn, will at least reward BOTH sides of the coin. The GM's who want to run their franchises by way of building from within.
Currently, there is no incentive for such a tactic. The current set up is, be fortunate to have a great core, Win with that core, than trade away those assets when you are done...rinse and repeat. If done something similar, and I'm not knocking GM's who want to win and are using this type of formula. All we asking for, is some fairness for the GM's that want to have a little more "Traditional or more realistic approach." Of course, this is opinionated, as we can always find a franchise in all sports, that runs their franchises with a "Win Now" approach. The difference is, We do not have a Shared Attendance draw, a licensing fee, any shared revenues or TV viewing audiences. We do not have compensatory revenues at all. So, we are ALL on the SAME field. However, their is a Rich get Richer reward system, whether or not you like to admit it.
The bottom tier teams NEED to have something to compete for, otherwise....THEY DON'T COMPETE. Competition is GREAT for the GHL.
If you can have an Old Timers League. Now, you start a Football League. Why can't we have an AHL? Build it!!!!!
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jun 27, 2020 9:40:29 GMT -5
I like the idea Chris .... my point pertaining to Scott’s post is u keep the salary cap how it is in the NHL but u have a minor league system for drafted players or free agent signings ....there salary doesn’t effect your big league cap unless they get called up to the Biggs I don’t know if this is possible in the GHL to do
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 27, 2020 12:07:46 GMT -5
I've been asking for minor league system probably since 2013.
It would be a good test of another league - an important one this time, as well as make drafting and small salary teams and GM's relevant. Owen just may crush it!
The big man won't do it, if he hasn't done it by now. Too much work, I'm guessing.
It would be so well received though.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 27, 2020 15:59:45 GMT -5
The only problem with a minor league system is that we would need to have waivers to stop owners from burying an unwanted contract in the minors just so it won't count against the cap. I know Glenn thinks I don't listen to him, but he has said this might not be possible. While we need something in place to solve this, we can't allow owners to not honor bad contracts which they've signed. Glenn, is your recommendation of the draft picks not counting against cap a realistic goal coding wise?
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jun 27, 2020 16:11:38 GMT -5
So Scott is it possible all draft picks are not counted vs cap unless they are on the big league roster
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 27, 2020 16:15:50 GMT -5
So Scott is it possible all draft picks are not counted vs cap unless they are on the big league roster I'm not sure, Glenn mentioned them not counting until they play a specific amount of games in the NHL |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 27, 2020 16:18:34 GMT -5
The code would be similar to what is already in place for prospects and shouldn't be too difficult to put in place. Any changes would not take effect until next year though.
The way I foresee it working would be a modification of the prospect coding to allow for these players as well. This could be handled differently for different rounds but we could say that players picked in rounds 1-3 would need to play 20 NHL games in a year, less if a goalie just like the prospects. Perhaps players drafted in rounds 4 and 5 would need to play a higher level of games in a year (lets say 40 for skaters and 25 for goalies) in either the AHL or NHL to get out of prospect status.
As prospects salaries don't count against the cap now, players retaining prospect status as per the rules above would not have a cap hit either.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jun 27, 2020 16:18:35 GMT -5
Gotcha
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 27, 2020 16:28:37 GMT -5
I would keep it simple and just assign them all a specific number of games, same as prospects now. Or just up the prospects requirements that we currently use. If the number is too high, we might be sacrificing a usable card by keeping the player a prospect. I think this might make it more difficult to carry the required amount of goalies however, not sure, would have to look into that aspect but I like the thought process here
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Post by John-Michigan on Sept 7, 2020 9:15:27 GMT -5
What is this years cap # and what is the over right now for f a spending?
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Sept 7, 2020 9:54:11 GMT -5
All teams cap inflated an extra 3 mil
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