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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 9, 2023 10:42:28 GMT -5
Thanks boys, I will have a look. I will run an NHL season for the 2 Baltimore goalies in question to see what their stats end up being. Better yet, here are the results of 3 NHL test seasons that were run using these goalies stats.  |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 9, 2023 11:17:13 GMT -5
the real rub is he doesn't seem to have ANY games lost to injury.
We penalize guys for just being benched or called up/down = lower fort in the G
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 9, 2023 11:19:48 GMT -5
I see the squeaky wheel....Christopher's Marque Goalie has "all 6's" instead of a couple 2's and 3's that he usually has to suffer with.
Gotta check other starting goalies and see how many 2's and 3's....mebbe even a 1...
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 9, 2023 11:39:08 GMT -5
The 6 is based on only his NHL games played as only those games were used to create his card You will find plenty of other players whose cards indicate a higher fortitude despite playing fewer NHL games last year. You shouldn't, so if there are, maybe point a few out to Glenn so he can research as to why this is. For players who play both AHL and NHL minutes, 2 separate cards are generated with the higher value one being used. If a player who played less games has a higher fortitude, then you should be looking at a much lower card value, indicating his AHL stats were used to arrive at his final card |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 9, 2023 12:05:06 GMT -5
So....the two Baltimore Goalies...
You ran a GHL season correct? You said NHL but your test stats are with this simulation league? Just wanna be clear.
If so Ingram is an above average GHL tender and his test seasons were scary bad. Yikes.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 9, 2023 12:30:58 GMT -5
NHL season. 3 of them to be exact. 2022 schedule for each NHL using the GHL card values released yesterday.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 9, 2023 12:35:39 GMT -5
ok, so same same. He is still going to 'not do well' in the GHL
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jul 9, 2023 13:10:59 GMT -5
You will find plenty of other players whose cards indicate a higher fortitude despite playing fewer NHL games last year. You shouldn't, so if there are, maybe point a few out to Glenn so he can research as to why this is. For players who play both AHL and NHL minutes, 2 separate cards are generated with the higher value one being used. If a player who played less games has a higher fortitude, then you should be looking at a much lower card value, indicating his AHL stats were used to arrive at his final card At this point I'm well aware of the AHL/NHL card generation, I simply do not see any logical reason why that should lead to an inaccurate fortitude (and it IS inaccurate). But since you asked for examples, here's some I found in about a 10 minute span: Jake Neighbours - 42 NHL games; 23 AHL games - 8 fort Jesse Ylonen - 37 NHL / 39 AHL - 9 fort Rafael Harvey-Pinard - 34 NHL / 40 AHL - 9 fort Marcus Bjork - 33 NHL / 44 AHL - 9 fort Juuso Parssinen - 45 NHL / 10 AHL - 7 fort |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 9, 2023 13:30:13 GMT -5
So will I have to make a decision on Lankinen?
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 9, 2023 13:58:49 GMT -5
You shouldn't, so if there are, maybe point a few out to Glenn so he can research as to why this is. For players who play both AHL and NHL minutes, 2 separate cards are generated with the higher value one being used. If a player who played less games has a higher fortitude, then you should be looking at a much lower card value, indicating his AHL stats were used to arrive at his final card At this point I'm well aware of the AHL/NHL card generation, I simply do not see any logical reason why that should lead to an inaccurate fortitude (and it IS inaccurate). But since you asked for examples, here's some I found in about a 10 minute span: Jake Neighbours - 42 NHL games; 23 AHL games - 8 fort Jesse Ylonen - 37 NHL / 39 AHL - 9 fort Rafael Harvey-Pinard - 34 NHL / 40 AHL - 9 fort Marcus Bjork - 33 NHL / 44 AHL - 9 fort Juuso Parssinen - 45 NHL / 10 AHL - 7 fort These definitely don't seem correct and this should be looked into for certain. As far as inaccuracy, however, it IS NOT inaccurate. We can not give a player who splits time credit for playing NHL + AHL while only giving him one card or the other. If we want to give him fortitude based on both cards, then we would have to average his two cards out or something along those lines, otherwise, we would or could have a bunch of AHL players playing in the GHL. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 9, 2023 14:13:48 GMT -5
Boys, I would suggest we put a place holder on fort ratings that are showing on the cards right now until I complete my research into what is going on with those ratings.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 9, 2023 14:14:29 GMT -5
So will I have to make a decision on Lankinen? If he is showing up with 0's then yes. |
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jul 9, 2023 14:15:56 GMT -5
At this point I'm well aware of the AHL/NHL card generation, I simply do not see any logical reason why that should lead to an inaccurate fortitude (and it IS inaccurate). But since you asked for examples, here's some I found in about a 10 minute span: Jake Neighbours - 42 NHL games; 23 AHL games - 8 fort Jesse Ylonen - 37 NHL / 39 AHL - 9 fort Rafael Harvey-Pinard - 34 NHL / 40 AHL - 9 fort Marcus Bjork - 33 NHL / 44 AHL - 9 fort Juuso Parssinen - 45 NHL / 10 AHL - 7 fort These definitely don't seem correct and this should be looked into for certain. As far as inaccuracy, however, it IS NOT inaccurate. We can not give a player who splits time credit for playing NHL + AHL while only giving him one card or the other. If we want to give him fortitude based on both cards, then we would have to average his two cards out or something along those lines, otherwise, we would or could have a bunch of AHL players playing in the GHL. If you want to say it's simply a result and consequence of how the cards are put together say that, but end with that. Taking a further step and claiming it's an accurate representation is a joke. You can't "give a player credit?" What's being "given" when the player has suited up and played 76 games? If fortitude is supposed to be a portrayal of a player's ability to stay healthy, why can't that be determined independently of the talent side of the card? |
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jul 9, 2023 15:00:35 GMT -5
At this point I'm well aware of the AHL/NHL card generation, I simply do not see any logical reason why that should lead to an inaccurate fortitude (and it IS inaccurate). But since you asked for examples, here's some I found in about a 10 minute span: Jake Neighbours - 42 NHL games; 23 AHL games - 8 fort Jesse Ylonen - 37 NHL / 39 AHL - 9 fort Rafael Harvey-Pinard - 34 NHL / 40 AHL - 9 fort Marcus Bjork - 33 NHL / 44 AHL - 9 fort Juuso Parssinen - 45 NHL / 10 AHL - 7 fort These definitely don't seem correct and this should be looked into for certain. As far as inaccuracy, however, it IS NOT inaccurate. We can not give a player who splits time credit for playing NHL + AHL while only giving him one card or the other. If we want to give him fortitude based on both cards, then we would have to average his two cards out or something along those lines, otherwise, we would or could have a bunch of AHL players playing in the GHL. You had Nathan Walker with a fortitude of 9 last season on an NHL card after playing 30 NHL games and 47 AHL games so I’d say it’s both correct and how it’s been for quite awhile. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 9, 2023 15:33:15 GMT -5
77 games would be a 9, so it would seem what you guys indicated is correct, and I'm wrong. Since cards aren't finalized yet, maybe they will be updated to this, and everyone will be happy. Maybe that is the way it has always been calculated now that I look at your examples, amongst others. If so, I can admit I was wrong.
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