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Post by Chris-Suffolk on May 7, 2012 20:39:31 GMT -5
I see that you have worked on the semi final schedule...not sure if you realized or not, but Suffolk and Hershey's remaining games are still on the team pages and for tomorrows games ( 5/8 and 5/10 )... As well as Que-Syr...
I was also wondering, if the goalies will recover being that they will have 4 days off before their next game played?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on May 8, 2012 8:30:45 GMT -5
I see that you have worked on the semi final schedule...not sure if you realized or not, but Suffolk and Hershey's remaining games are still on the team pages and for tomorrows games ( 5/8 and 5/10 )... As well as Que-Syr... I was also wondering, if the goalies will recover being that they will have 4 days off before their next game played? Thanks Chris, the extraneous games have been removed. In regards to the goalie stamina, no changes have been made to the model as of yet and it is still operating under the same guidelines that the regular season was under. Given the fact that there is no real long breaks between series, no more so than in the regular season, these will not be tweaked for the post season.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on May 8, 2012 9:49:46 GMT -5
There IS a goalie recuperation problem.
Bobrovsky 'went yellow' on May 3rd.
as of May 8th....he's still 'yellow'.
5 days of not playing.....he should be good to go.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on May 8, 2012 14:59:39 GMT -5
There IS a goalie recuperation problem. Bobrovsky 'went yellow' on May 3rd. as of May 8th....he's still 'yellow'. 5 days of not playing.....he should be good to go. Even stud goaltenders can get over worked and right now Bobrovsky is over worked. The fatigue calculation is based on a multitude of items including consecutive games started, games over the previous 30 day and total games played for the year. A big knock on the Sabres and Rangers the last few years was their big minute goalies getting worn down come playoff time. This is what is happening here. His card is based on his 10-11 stats where he played 50.25 games and in the FHL regular season this year he played 62 games. I am guessing he also played consecutively in every playoff game to date as well. If he sits a game I am pretty sure he will show green or blue for the following game. Until then, if used he will have a 1-3 reduction in over stats until the time he turns orange where the engine will sit him automatically. What I mentioned earlier was the fact that even during the regular season, teams can have 4-5 day gaps in the schedule. This latest playoff lapse is the same and that is why no adjustments are being made. if teams would have had more than a week off, I may have modified the fatigue factor to take this into consideration.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on May 8, 2012 16:28:09 GMT -5
I watched the goalies recuperation on several teams towards the end of the season....and for a teams days off....the goalies are not changing back to "more healthy colors". it's almost as if the sim ignores 'real' days off between FHL days.
I don't think days off are having the good effect that they should be.
Some mitigating factors:
1. I rested Bob for at least 4 games in a row prior to the playoff starts - this should be huge IMO.
2. His Stamina is a solid 8.
3. 62 games started for a Starting goalie is not uncommon in the NHL. It does not overwork NHL goalies, especially with a few games off before the playoffs.
I guarantee that if I only rest Bob for one game...he'll be back to yellow AGAIN in the playoffs and I feel for his 8 stamina...it's not realistic.
5 days of not playing should absolutely take a yellow right down to a blue at least...if not a green, IMO.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on May 8, 2012 16:52:55 GMT -5
I watched the goalies recuperation on several teams towards the end of the season....and for a teams days off....the goalies are not changing back to "more healthy colors". it's almost as if the sim ignores 'real' days off between FHL days. I don't think days off are having the good effect that they should be. Some mitigating factors: 1. I rested Bob for at least 4 games in a row prior to the playoff starts - this should be huge IMO. 2. His Stamina is a solid 8. 3. 62 games started for a Starting goalie is not uncommon in the NHL. It does not overwork NHL goalies, especially with a few games off before the playoffs. I guarantee that if I only rest Bob for one game...he'll be back to yellow AGAIN in the playoffs and I feel for his 8 stamina...it's not realistic. 5 days of not playing should absolutely take a yellow right down to a blue at least...if not a green, IMO. As I explained in the first post, the last 30 days are taken into account so the sim does not ignore real days. The goalies status for the next game is determined after his last game and will not change from day to day leading up to the next game. 1) It does factor in quite a bit. It allowed him to play 9 games straight without going yellow. 2) Yes it is. No argument on that one. 3) 62 games reflects a 24% increase over the 50.25 games that Bobrovsky played in real life in 10-11. This is significant and factors into the fatigue rating. Used enough consecutive games, even the heartiest of goalies will get fatigued and their performance suffers. This might not be so bad with a 38-37 goalie and they still would be better than most teams backups. 4) I don't think you are in a position to guarantee that. I don't even know without researching that and I wrote the game. 5) Again, days off in last 30 days plays a part but is not the end all and be all of calculating fatigue. It is apart of it but a part only.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on May 8, 2012 21:07:15 GMT -5
5 days off....oughta change yellow to blue.....bottom line.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on May 8, 2012 21:14:38 GMT -5
5 days off....oughta change yellow to blue.....bottom line. well the Flyers shouldn't have lost to the Devils in 5 either...bottom line
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on May 9, 2012 11:06:29 GMT -5
No other owners have anything to say about this ?
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Post by Scott-New York on May 9, 2012 11:30:21 GMT -5
It's been explained and I don't feel anything should be changed from the way it's been handled all season. Glenn said it would be looked at and possibly adjusted in the future but the playoffs are not a time to deviate from league processes. With that said, I do agree that a 3 or 4 day rest for any player would or should improve his status.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on May 9, 2012 11:36:08 GMT -5
I agree with Scott. I think that, in the future, it should be changed. But considering it's Round 3 you can't start tampering with the engine.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on May 9, 2012 11:54:46 GMT -5
I agree with Glenn, Scott and Brian...
The fact that 2010-2011 Goalie Stats indicate "Games Played" for the season; We cant allow back ups and starters to play more than their stats without penalty.
For Ex:---------------NHL----------FHL---------NHL PLayoffs-----FHL PO
Neuvirth------------ 48 GP--------50 GP-----------9 GP-----------11 GP
Neuvirth could use some rest...this is acceptable and realistic. Just as, I assume, the same for Schneider and his "Back Up Stamina Rating" and "Games Played" issues...along with the myriad of other goalies all season long. It was the norm, so I'm good with this.
*****With that said, it just brought up an interesting thought....see below
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Post by Eric-Baltimore on May 9, 2012 11:54:50 GMT -5
I'm not in the playoffs so I'm indifferent for this year. The one point I would make though is that if everyone is dealing with the same fatigue issue doesn't it all equal out? It would give a slight advantage to a team that finishes off an opponent quickly rather than a full 7 game series, but I think that adds some reality to the sim.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on May 9, 2012 12:01:38 GMT -5
Cont'd
If we penalize goalies for playing too many games, or more games than their stats, by making these goalies less effective.....Why do we not penalize regular line up players who also are playing more games than their stats???
ie: Players Injured the previous year...
Jordan Staal-- 42 GP ( NHL )----76 GP ( FHL ) plus Playoff GP
I'm pretty sure Staalsy played all 76 games WITHOUT penalty to his Tools of Trade....even tho he played nearly 50% more than his 2010-2011 STATS indicated.
This is obviously something to discuss for the Off Season tho.....
If we penalize ANY position player ( ie: Goalies ), then we should penalize ALL position players.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on May 9, 2012 12:29:53 GMT -5
Cont'd If we penalize goalies for playing too many games, or more games than their stats, by making these goalies less effective.....Why do we not penalize regular line up players who also are playing more games than their stats??? ie: Players Injured the previous year... Jordan Staal-- 42 GP ( NHL )----76 GP ( FHL ) plus Playoff GP I'm pretty sure Staalsy played all 76 games WITHOUT penalty to his Tools of Trade....even tho he played nearly 50% more than his 2010-2011 STATS indicated. This is obviously something to discuss for the Off Season tho.....
If we penalize ANY position player ( ie: Goalies ), then we should penalize ALL position players.These guys do have their stats reduced if they have a ridiculous few number of games played. See Perron's card. Also, these position players have fortitude ratings that reflect their limited number of games they played and are prone to injury, more specifically long term injury, game in and game out. See Crosby's card. Goalies fortitude is only impacted if they were truly injured and not "not playing". Goalies are dealt with in this manner so guys who have great cards but few games played (Biron) cannot be used as a workhorse in the regular season or the playoffs either for that matter. That is why a premium is placed on the top flight goalies who not only put up great numbers, but play a huge number of games as well. These guys get fatigued more slowly and recover more quickly than Johnny Flash in the Pan.
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