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Nov 6, 2012 8:59:11 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 8:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I am really not seeing the logic behind having an LTIR function if we can't use it to put players with long term injuries on LTIR. I get that it is related to FORT, but if my expensive goalie is gone for 80 games with a long term injury, his FORT should, in theory, be re-calibrated while unavailable to make that cap useable. Why is it not set up like this? Essentially, Nabby is gone for the rest of the regular season. There should be some relief/mechanism available to alleviate the burden.
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Nov 6, 2012 9:58:57 GMT -5
Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Nov 6, 2012 9:58:57 GMT -5
Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I am really not seeing the logic behind having an LTIR function if we can't use it to put players with long term injuries on LTIR. I get that it is related to FORT, but if my expensive goalie is gone for 80 games with a long term injury, his FORT should, in theory, be re-calibrated while unavailable to make that cap useable. Why is it not set up like this? Essentially, Nabby is gone for the rest of the regular season. There should be some relief/mechanism available to alleviate the burden. The relief is not safety net provided to teams if one of their star players goes down, the relief is making the decision before the player plays that given his extremely low fortitude he is at risk of injury. Year 1 I lost Foligno for 4 months even though his fortitude was 8 or 9. Those are the breaks. This is in place to give owners a choice of using a fragile player player knowing full well they will be injured during the year (based on their extremely low fortitude) and therefore saving that salary for this year or roll the bones and use them until they drop.
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Nov 6, 2012 11:28:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 11:28:24 GMT -5
I believe Nabby is a 7 FORT. Is that low enough to warrant that kind of concern?
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Nov 6, 2012 11:39:02 GMT -5
I believe it was 2 fort or lower.
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Nov 6, 2012 11:42:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 11:42:25 GMT -5
I believe it was 2 fort or lower. Agreed. But by the very definition, my goalie has suffered a long term injury. It seems a tad incongruent that his "low" FORT makes him susceptible to injury, while his "high" FORT disqualifies from LTIR status. To me, if a player has a season ending injury, he's naturally on LTIR, FORT or otherwise. I dunno; just seems like that would be the logical way to handle it.
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Nov 6, 2012 11:45:16 GMT -5
Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Nov 6, 2012 11:45:16 GMT -5
I believe Nabby is a 7 FORT. Is that low enough to warrant that kind of concern? No, the cutoff is 2 or lower and it can only be used if he hasn't played a game in the FHL this year yet.
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Nov 6, 2012 11:49:16 GMT -5
Its a preemptive option, not a reactive option. That, and Nabby has a great fort, just unlucky.
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Nov 6, 2012 12:00:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 12:00:54 GMT -5
Sorry, not to stir the pot at all, but a guy with a long term injury should, to my mind, be considered a player with a long term injury, and it would make sense to me that this fact would be indicated by his status. The beauty of this game is in the way GM's are afforded the ability to react to unforeseen events and make contingencies based on effective mechanisms written into the program. I don't expect the rules to change based on this single instance, but it may be a future consideration.
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Nov 6, 2012 12:19:45 GMT -5
Post by Phil-Cornwall on Nov 6, 2012 12:19:45 GMT -5
Owen, I agree with you, but Glenn hasn't set the engine /sim up to handle that yet. Do you remember last year when we had no minor league team call up / send down ability and poor Glenn had to call up players by hand all year long ? We grow steadily.
Back to the topic though.
On Fortitude - Every year you will see a 8 or 9 Fort go down for the season / 60-100 games. It's rare but it happens.
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Nov 6, 2012 12:58:47 GMT -5
Post by Matt-Colorado on Nov 6, 2012 12:58:47 GMT -5
I think if you enable ltir midsession, you would also have to enable mid season signings, and then that would eventually lead to waivers.
Which I would love, but to summarize: Glenn gets killed by code and data.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 31, 2013 9:30:00 GMT -5
Bump for LTIR discussion, I think Owen was on the right track here. I don't understand how the way we handle LTIR translates. What does it represent? If it's preemptive, should teams be allowed to use the $ during free agency to find a replacement? Yes, I know, more questions than answers. I just feel all teams should start the season with everyone on the roster and have the LTIR available if a player then goes down long term, who knows, maybe your 2 fortitude guy gets in 54 games, if he has a good card, why not have the option of taking the chance with a safety net in place in case he does go down, just seems more in line with what the NHL does to me but I would like to hear everyone's thoughts.
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Jul 31, 2013 9:48:46 GMT -5
Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 31, 2013 9:48:46 GMT -5
I think this is the best way to handle it, it mirrors the NHL relatively well in the fact that the Flyers and other teams can't LTIR players til the season starts so why would we be able to do it before free agency.
I think doing it before the season(after FA) and having them gone all year is just easier, rarely are their season ending injuries in the FHL and if they happen its more than likely after the deadline. Take colorado last year and losing Marc andre-bergeron, he lost him for a huge number of days early but still came back to finish the season, what would be the point of LTIR him and using the cap gained when he will come back later in the season and youll have to trade away cap to become compliant again.
Just seems the way we have it is the simplest solution to this.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 31, 2013 9:53:30 GMT -5
How many guys would LTIR a defenseman with a 27-44 card? Just curious.
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Jul 31, 2013 9:59:15 GMT -5
Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 31, 2013 9:59:15 GMT -5
If he had a 2 fort and a huge salary I personally would, If has a salary of 2-3 mil Id have to think if I want to carry the cap and not use him til the playoffs. 500k contract obviously a no brainer to roll the dice.
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Jul 31, 2013 18:20:00 GMT -5
Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jul 31, 2013 18:20:00 GMT -5
I would agree with Dane on this issue. What we do definitely mirrors the NHL.
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