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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Nov 8, 2010 14:42:07 GMT -5
Sunds a lot like the Toronto Maple Leafs. Look at where they are lol! Excellent point Dan. It will be interesting to see how all of the stats are panning out once I finish the crunching. Hey Capn't....where's the defense stats Gee....don't look at me....I haven't see um ! GET CRUNCHING FOR THOSE STATS CAPTAIN / ADMIRAL BOBB !
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Nov 8, 2010 18:05:48 GMT -5
Excellent point Dan. It will be interesting to see how all of the stats are panning out once I finish the crunching. Hey Capn't....where's the defense stats Gee....don't look at me....I haven't see um ! GET CRUNCHING FOR THOSE STATS CAPTAIN / ADMIRAL BOBB ! Initial crunching done. You may be overstating the combat strength of your Siegfried line. Below is the analysis of your team and another struggling franchise (mine), showing for the 18 man lineups we are fielding what the average score id for the primary categories: CORNWAL Off: 26 Def: 35 shot: 4 shotpct: 3 passing: 3 blockedshots: 6 Hits: 6 Philadelphia (certainly never been be confused with a stout D) Off: 33 Def: 30 shot: 5 shotpct: 5 passing: 4 blockedshots: 5 Hits: 5 You can see the average difference between our teams isn't that great even though in your mind, you have assembled a strong defensive team. I am going to run a similar analysis for all 30 teams rosters to see how things shake out as well.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Nov 8, 2010 18:16:57 GMT -5
Here is the league breakdown for the rosters
O D sht sht% pas bsht hit ADR 30 31 4 4 5 5 4 BAL 30 31 5 4 4 5 6 BOS 32 32 4 4 5 5 4 BUF 25 26 4 4 3 4 5 CHI 32 30 5 5 5 5 5 CIN 33 29 5 5 5 4 4 CLE 31 33 4 4 5 5 4 COR 24 34 4 3 3 6 6 DET 31 27 4 5 4 5 5 EDM 34 27 5 5 5 5 5 HAL 34 27 5 5 5 5 4 HAM 29 26 5 4 4 5 4 HER 30 30 4 4 4 5 4 JHN 33 31 5 4 5 5 5 MAN 32 26 4 4 5 4 4 MON 25 21 4 3 4 3 4 MTL 29 28 5 4 4 4 5 NEW 30 26 4 4 5 5 5 NJO 29 26 5 3 4 4 5 NYA 28 28 5 3 4 4 5 OTT 30 28 5 3 5 5 4 PHL 32 29 5 4 4 5 5 PIT 31 26 4 4 5 4 3 QUE 31 27 5 4 5 4 5 ROC 30 26 5 4 5 5 5 SUF 32 28 5 4 5 5 5 SYR 34 26 5 5 5 5 4 TOR 32 24 5 4 5 4 4 WIL 26 27 5 3 5 5 5 WSH 33 29 5 4 5 5 5
I am going to spend some time later coming up with some average for shots per game and specialty teams.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Nov 8, 2010 18:57:20 GMT -5
Good stuff !
Number crunching is fine and all.....but I usually do my best computations when I consult with my...
LARGE
DIAMOND ENCRUSTED
CUP RING !!!!!!
.....crunch....
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Post by Dan-Toronto on Nov 8, 2010 20:40:22 GMT -5
Here is the league breakdown for the rosters O D sht sht% pas bsht hit ADR 30 31 4 4 5 5 4 BAL 30 31 5 4 4 5 6 BOS 32 32 4 4 5 5 4 BUF 25 26 4 4 3 4 5 CHI 32 30 5 5 5 5 5 CIN 33 29 5 5 5 4 4 CLE 31 33 4 4 5 5 4 COR 24 34 4 3 3 6 6 DET 31 27 4 5 4 5 5 EDM 34 27 5 5 5 5 5 HAL 34 27 5 5 5 5 4 HAM 29 26 5 4 4 5 4 HER 30 30 4 4 4 5 4 JHN 33 31 5 4 5 5 5 MAN 32 26 4 4 5 4 4 MON 25 21 4 3 4 3 4 MTL 29 28 5 4 4 4 5 NEW 30 26 4 4 5 5 5 NJO 29 26 5 3 4 4 5 NYA 28 28 5 3 4 4 5 OTT 30 28 5 3 5 5 4 PHL 32 29 5 4 4 5 5 PIT 31 26 4 4 5 4 3 QUE 31 27 5 4 5 4 5 ROC 30 26 5 4 5 5 5 SUF 32 28 5 4 5 5 5 SYR 34 26 5 5 5 5 4 TOR 32 24 5 4 5 4 4 WIL 26 27 5 3 5 5 5 WSH 33 29 5 4 5 5 5 I am going to spend some time later coming up with some average for shots per game and specialty teams. So according to these numbers I have the second worst defense in the league next to moncton?
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Nov 8, 2010 21:00:14 GMT -5
Here is the league breakdown for the rosters O D sht sht% pas bsht hit ADR 30 31 4 4 5 5 4 BAL 30 31 5 4 4 5 6 BOS 32 32 4 4 5 5 4 BUF 25 26 4 4 3 4 5 CHI 32 30 5 5 5 5 5 CIN 33 29 5 5 5 4 4 CLE 31 33 4 4 5 5 4 COR 24 34 4 3 3 6 6 DET 31 27 4 5 4 5 5 EDM 34 27 5 5 5 5 5 HAL 34 27 5 5 5 5 4 HAM 29 26 5 4 4 5 4 HER 30 30 4 4 4 5 4 JHN 33 31 5 4 5 5 5 MAN 32 26 4 4 5 4 4 MON 25 21 4 3 4 3 4 MTL 29 28 5 4 4 4 5 NEW 30 26 4 4 5 5 5 NJO 29 26 5 3 4 4 5 NYA 28 28 5 3 4 4 5 OTT 30 28 5 3 5 5 4 PHL 32 29 5 4 4 5 5 PIT 31 26 4 4 5 4 3 QUE 31 27 5 4 5 4 5 ROC 30 26 5 4 5 5 5 SUF 32 28 5 4 5 5 5 SYR 34 26 5 5 5 5 4 TOR 32 24 5 4 5 4 4 WIL 26 27 5 3 5 5 5 WSH 33 29 5 4 5 5 5 I am going to spend some time later coming up with some average for shots per game and specialty teams. So according to these numbers I have the second worst defense in the league next to moncton? I think that is with offensive players included, so while your defense looks pretty strong, your offensive players probably don't have very good defensive stats.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Nov 8, 2010 21:10:57 GMT -5
As I look at all of the recent games played, I notice, that Offense seemed to be weighted heavier than Defense. I look at a team like New England specifically. They have truly only one defender that is considered a Defensive defenseman, and 3 Dmen that did not have a good Plus/Minus rating last year...actually, Bergeron and Strallman arent defensive dmen at all...Maybe they are providing such extreme offense that opposing teams cannot seem to get the puck from them in the FHL, but I suspect the problem may be that Puck Possesion is weighing slightly greater than Defense alone is. That might be an area to look at in solving this phenomenon....its either that or the FHL is using a corked puck! We need need to implement an HGH Clause as well.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Nov 8, 2010 21:23:37 GMT -5
As I look at all of the recent games played, I notice, that Offense seemed to be weighted heavier than Defense. I look at a team like New England specifically. They have truly only one defender that is considered a Defensive defenseman, and 3 Dmen that did not have a good Plus/Minus rating last year...actually, Bergeron and Strallman arent defensive dmen at all...Maybe they are providing such extreme offense that opposing teams cannot seem to get the puck from them in the FHL, but I suspect the problem may be that Puck Possesion is weighing slightly greater than Defense alone is. That might be an area to look at in solving this phenomenon....its either that or the FHL is using a corked puck! We need need to implement an HGH Clause as well. I will review the code concerning the offensive versus defensive breakdowns. There may be a heavier weight distributed to the passing stat than some of the other skills but I won't know until I dig into the code a bit.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Nov 8, 2010 21:47:33 GMT -5
Sounds good Glenn, looking at the number crunching....(New) New England is 2 pts lower than, me for example, in both Off. and Def., yet they are averaging 7-8 goals per game....actually, they have had 9 goals scored, 3 or 4 times, I think... Im gonna have to make a trade with them soon.....lol
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Nov 8, 2010 23:27:04 GMT -5
A few points to consider:
1. We're only 10% of the way into the season...check out your strength of schedule, as this is going to have a big effect.
2. Shots have been adjusted downward, results are improving. In a high shot environment, it's probably true that a keystone cop offense would suffer some.
3. A bad offense can be shut down by very average defensemen and goalies. A balanced, above average team is going to beat a bad offense regularly.
4. A turnover plagued offense will yield numerous 3 on 2 opps for the opposition.
5. Power plays need to be analyzed.
6. I do not know the effect of "hitting".
7. Bad luck can be playing a factor.
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Nov 8, 2010 23:32:57 GMT -5
Cornwall's average offensive rating is 24.
This makes them better than the following defenses in a 30 team league:
Montreal
Yep, that's it. And offensive ratings run on average two or three points higher than the defense.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Nov 9, 2010 9:44:19 GMT -5
Sounds good Glenn, looking at the number crunching....(New) New England is 2 pts lower than, me for example, in both Off. and Def., yet they are averaging 7-8 goals per game....actually, they have had 9 goals scored, 3 or 4 times, I think... Im gonna have to make a trade with them soon.....lol I should have mentioned...My team has a better rating overall heads up against NE, but in head to head play, New England has crushed me...6-3 and 8-4 and have taken 99 SOG to my 81... This indicates a wide open game, my boys have specifically been told to play a 1-2-2 high forecheck system.... NE definitely has an advantage in goal, which is most likely a big factor...but they still have managed to have possesion of the puck to accumulate 99 SOG in the 2 games. One was pre-debugging and the other was after. It is early in the season, just mentioning these tidbits now so we can continue to make improvements, is all...I have faith in Glenn.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Nov 9, 2010 10:36:52 GMT -5
Sounds good Glenn, looking at the number crunching....(New) New England is 2 pts lower than, me for example, in both Off. and Def., yet they are averaging 7-8 goals per game....actually, they have had 9 goals scored, 3 or 4 times, I think... Im gonna have to make a trade with them soon.....lol I should have mentioned...My team has a better rating overall heads up against NE, but in head to head play, New England has crushed me...6-3 and 8-4 and have taken 99 SOG to my 81... This indicates a wide open game, my boys have specifically been told to play a 1-2-2 high forecheck system.... NE definitely has an advantage in goal, which is most likely a big factor...but they still have managed to have possesion of the puck to accumulate 99 SOG in the 2 games. One was pre-debugging and the other was after. It is early in the season, just mentioning these tidbits now so we can continue to make improvements, is all...I have faith in Glenn. I appreciate all of the feedback. It will certainly make the fine tuning go much faster. Keep it coming. I did some poking around last night and found that I currently have it setup to use a players pass rating any time he is attempting a pass. I think I am going to tweak this to use passing 50% (at least to start with) of the time and then another random off or neutral stat the other 50% of the time. This will better simulate the fact that even a great passer gets rushed on occasion and needs to use his other attributes in order to get a good pass off. I also am going to lower the shot chances from the peripheral areas of the ice a little in order to further lower our shot counts that are still a bit high.
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Post by Michael-Pittsburgh on Nov 9, 2010 10:39:25 GMT -5
Guys, this is great stuff for someone who hasn't followed hockey in over 15 years plus has no knowledge of how the sims engine works.
Keep up the dialogue as I am enjoying it immensely just sitting back and enjoying the ride this first season regardless of Pittsburgh's record.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Nov 9, 2010 10:54:50 GMT -5
Glenn, we know you are on top of this, but you need some time to wind down also. I just want you to know that I am not mentioning these random items in any sort of anger or harshness. Just some ideas on how we can get it close to a realistic sim is all. I love this so far, and dont see any reason not to in the future. Just so you guys know, I have no idea how the sim engine runs either...I merely ramble a lot, I guess I am more of a realist or purest ( although my recent trade attempts did not reflect this ) and I prefer this league to be a close proximity to NHL stats. But, as we know, that is too much of a long shot, because our players are not playing on the same lines as they do in the NHL, with the same tangibles on any consistant basis, so the numbers will be skewed. BUT, I love this immensely. I'm with you Michael...although, I am a competitive SOB, I want to have fun mostly...I just wish there were as many impatient GM's as me who want to tweak their teams as much as I do.....I CANT WAIT FOR DRAFT DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets sim this whole season off already and start the DRAFT !!!! ;D
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