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Post by Ian-Halifax on Aug 30, 2018 11:14:40 GMT -5
Hey Glenn, not really sure where to post this, but can you please take a look and hopefully fix Stolarz fort? He was only healthy one game this year and somehow has a 10 fort.
Related to this, if I’m planning on putting him on LTIR after UFA but before the season starts, can I sign a 6th goalie?
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Aug 30, 2018 11:35:50 GMT -5
LTIR goes after the season starts.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Aug 30, 2018 11:58:30 GMT -5
I will have a look.
Regarding adding an additional D I have allowed teams to decide if they want to carry 5 or 6 if one was going to be placed on LTIR.
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Sept 2, 2018 16:28:04 GMT -5
I am curious as to how Julius Honka played 40 games as a defenseman with a -1 +/- and ended up with a 48 defensive rating. What metrics caused him not to be a little higher rated but poor defensemen in the high 50s or low 60s? 48 is atrocious and unplayable in GHL, yet Dallas played him half a season on the 3rd line. He could never play to a -1 with that defensive rating. Mike Reilly is even worse at 39, yet he was -5 in 52 3rd line games? Can these guys play on the 3rd line in this league and see similar results?
In terms of the game, does a defenseman's 40 equal a forward's 40?
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Sept 2, 2018 16:28:40 GMT -5
Why would Montreal trade for Reilly if he is so terrible?
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Sept 2, 2018 18:18:15 GMT -5
I am curious as to how Julius Honka played 40 games as a defenseman with a -1 +/- and ended up with a 48 defensive rating. What metrics caused him not to be a little higher rated but poor defensemen in the high 50s or low 60s? 48 is atrocious and unplayable in GHL, yet Dallas played him half a season on the 3rd line. He could never play to a -1 with that defensive rating. Mike Reilly is even worse at 39, yet he was -5 in 52 3rd line games? Can these guys play on the 3rd line in this league and see similar results? In terms of the game, does a defenseman's 40 equal a forward's 40? I was asking about how d-ratings are compiled earlier this offseason as well, the link below is what I was given to look over. gtgfhl.proboards.com/thread/4988/player-cards-determined?page=1&scrollTo=21798Granted, I don't think everything in that post covers everything a defenseman does, and I am a bit skeptical of the various "seconds played between x" components as it seems to cancel out the effectiveness of a blueliner being so good that the other team ends up not getting a shot off before the puck leaves the offensive zone. It's almost as if the more shots you give up (and therefore have the opportunity to block) the better you will look. So if you keep them from getting a shot off at all, you're doing a much better job on defense, but have very little to show for it towards your card rating. If there was a way to generate something like how many trips into the zone are cleared and/or successfully defended by a defenseman I think that would help give a clearer picture of how good these players are, but it could be a tough chore to calculate if there isn't already an existing stat for this. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 2, 2018 18:58:34 GMT -5
I am curious as to how Julius Honka played 40 games as a defenseman with a -1 +/- and ended up with a 48 defensive rating. What metrics caused him not to be a little higher rated but poor defensemen in the high 50s or low 60s? 48 is atrocious and unplayable in GHL, yet Dallas played him half a season on the 3rd line. He could never play to a -1 with that defensive rating. Mike Reilly is even worse at 39, yet he was -5 in 52 3rd line games? Can these guys play on the 3rd line in this league and see similar results? In terms of the game, does a defenseman's 40 equal a forward's 40? Rating is not based on a players +/- per se it is based on his plus minus in respect to his teams plus minus. |
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Sept 2, 2018 19:46:50 GMT -5
"Although, there is a difference when Honka was on the ice versus off the ice, and looking deeper at the statistic, we find that the Stars’ play overall increased as a result. The team’s record when having Honka on the ice is 25-12-5, and without him they are 16-20-4." The only stats that show Honka as a plus player are faceoffs in offensive zone, which begins to explain the win loss record when he is on ice. Glenn, are there any sources or evaluations out there that might supplement? Web Results Why Plus/Minus is the Worst Statistic in Hockey - Arctic Ice Hockey www.arcticicehockey.com/2014/6/5/5602668/why-plus-minus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 2, 2018 21:12:57 GMT -5
"Although, there is a difference when Honka was on the ice versus off the ice, and looking deeper at the statistic, we find that the Stars’ play overall increased as a result. The team’s record when having Honka on the ice is 25-12-5, and without him they are 16-20-4." The only stats that show Honka as a plus player are faceoffs in offensive zone, which begins to explain the win loss record when he is on ice. Glenn, are there any sources or evaluations out there that might supplement? Web Results Why Plus/Minus is the Worst Statistic in Hockey - Arctic Ice Hockey www.arcticicehockey.com/2014/6/5/5602668/why-plus-minus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockeyI do supplement with other sources that are discussed in detail I believe in the thread that was linked to above. Corsi, SH TOI, Giveaways, Takeaways and Blocked shots as well if I remember correctly, |
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Post by Scott-New York on Sept 3, 2018 6:17:48 GMT -5
You guys are pretty much asking for a league full of 80+ defenseman. It's not realistic. I agree that guys like Nick Leddy should probably have a little better defensive rating but the arguement that they can't be played in the G holds no water. It's an opinion. Last season, Tyson Barrie (63-57) scored 3 goals, had 14 assists and was +11 in 39 games with the Amerks. Oh, by the way, that was while averaging over 20 minutes of time on ice per game. Suffolk seemed to know how to use him in 15-16 as well when he had 31 points and was a +25 on the season and yes, played over 20 minutes per game. There is a stigma in this league that if a player doesn't have an 80+ rating somewhere on the card, that's he's useless. It's all in your heads. Honka is an offensive defenseman, like Barrie, Leddy and many others. These guys don't kill penalties and therefore shouldn't have outstanding defensive ratings, they are not going to be put on the ice when the team is down by a goal with less than a minute to play. You are assuming they can't be used. Certain ones might not be ready yet. Honka is obviously not ready, that is shown by the fact that he only averaged 13 minutes of time on ice in his career high 42 games played. He's still young, give him 13 minutes a night and let him mature, just like his NHL team is, but if he's going to be an NHL offensive defenseman, he's never going to translate to an 80+ defensive rating, nor should he.
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Sept 3, 2018 15:50:24 GMT -5
I am not arguing for a 80s defensive rating.
I am asking for a rating that generates similar performance. And a defenseman in the 40s is not playable in this game, as far as I can tell.
But since the formulas of the game are not transparent, I can't do more than compare a handful of game experiments. But the zone based system means a 40s defenseman's ratings will be assigned to the high scoring areas--and the puck will find them with devastating frequency.
That's my impression from limited injury replacement in the regular season.
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Post by Matt-Syracuse on Sept 3, 2018 15:53:26 GMT -5
I am further torqued that 12 game starter Curtis McElhenny is a "better" goalie than workhorse Frederik Andersen. Obviously, Toronto is run by a collection of idiots. So in GHL, McElhinney will play 40 plus games and outform Andersen's 50.
The only outlier is big saves, which is a nebulous game rating.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Sept 3, 2018 18:28:44 GMT -5
I am further torqued that 12 game starter Curtis McElhenny is a "better" goalie than workhorse Frederik Andersen. Obviously, Toronto is run by a collection of idiots. So in GHL, McElhinney will play 40 plus games and outform Andersen's 50. The only outlier is big saves, which is a nebulous game rating. Not hardly 4 Stamina versus 10 stamina? We have had a few months since the season ended but you do recall the varying colors goalies have through the year correct? |
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