Buyers?

[Scott-New York]

The trade deadline is less than 2 weeks away and there seems to be a lack of buyers in the market this year...

[Jon-Seattle]

Market is based on supply and demand. It’s why I laugh when looking at the trade boards sometimes. Some people don’t seem to see that.

[Dane-Hamilton]

Yea I’ll probably try and buy but just looking for bargain UFAs at the deadline won’t be giving up a 1st or 2nd this year and would look strictly for a rental.

Best time for trades in this league is offseason, deadline for desperate teams who are trying to move someone they couldn’t earlier I don’t think I even logged in deadline last year.

[Joe-Adirondack]

Scott ,I think the disparity between playoff bound teams and non playoff teams has the haves thinking there good with The team they have assembled ...... if you can improve you do it because Opportunity only comes around every so often

[Scott-New York]

I don't see any desperation in moving a UFA...they will be gone at the end of the season. The playoff teams are the only teams with any pressure at the deadline. The cellar dwellers have no pressure, they don't need to make trades. I was simply pointing out that the buyers aren't buying and you'd have to be either pretty confident that you're going to win or pretty sure that you're not if you're a playoff team and aren't trying to improve with your last chance before the playoffs begin.

[Dane-Hamilton]

Yea I mean difference of opinion but if I wasn’t making playoffs I’d be mad if I didn’t move my UFAs I wasn’t keeping for even 5ths. I mean it’s better than nothing.

As a playoff team I have no clue what my team will do. But I know from experience that playoff loss hurts even more when I spend a 1st/2nd on rentals that don’t get the job done.

[Chris-Suffolk]

Buyers want to buy low, Sellers want to sell high. That's the successful Business model. Anyone, in either position, would want that for their team. Foolish to think otherwise.

[Scott-New York]

I can absolutely see that but if you can improve significantly, it's worth a very late 1st and possibly more. I'd rather swing and miss than not try I guess but I don't see being upset over not moving an UFA unless he's a significant piece.

[Chris-Suffolk]

More than a few GM's told me recently, they didn't want to better their teams because they felt it was futile. Not thinking they could compete, they didn't want to part with anything to improve their team for a playoff run.

There just aren't a lot of high end UFA's, ones that could help put someone over the edge.

Personally, I'm not moving any of my ufa's for a 5th...one of the worst valued Draft Pick "Prices" we have. 500K for a 5th, 650K for a 4th, 800, 900 and 1Mil...Look around, you'll see that the successful teams who have acquired players/prospects for those 4th and 5th Rd'ers....those successful GM's, only hold 1st's, 2nd's and 3rd's....4th's and 5th's aren't completely worthless, but they can be cumbersome for teams with many RFA's and holding Picks. Those picks take up salary cap room.

[Dane-Hamilton]

Feb 12, 2019 20:21:44 GMT -5 Scott-New York said:

I can absolutely see that but if you can improve significantly, it's worth a very late 1st and possibly more. I'd rather swing and miss than not try I guess but I don't see being upset over not moving an UFA unless he's a significant piece.

See that’s where we differ. An “insignificant” piece can become a 4th or 5th and paired with other 4ths or 5ths you can trade up in draft to get someone you want, or use those picks on more long shots you can drop for free.

I get some people would rather keep their pride and not trade a UFA for a 5th but I think those picks can help more than nothing.

[Dane-Hamilton]

Feb 12, 2019 20:27:22 GMT -5 Chris-Suffolk said:

More than a few GM's told me recently, they didn't want to better their teams because they felt it was futile. Not thinking they could compete, they didn't want to part with anything to improve their team for a playoff run.

There just aren't a lot of high end UFA's, ones that could help put someone over the edge.

Personally, I'm not moving any of my ufa's for a 5th...one of the worst valued Draft Pick "Prices" we have. 500K for a 5th, 650K for a 4th, 800, 900 and 1Mil...Look around, you'll see that the successful teams who have acquired players/prospects for those 4th and 5th Rd'ers....those successful GM's, only hold 1st's, 2nd's and 3rd's....4th's and 5th's aren't completely worthless, but they can be cumbersome for teams with many RFA's and holding Picks. Those picks take up salary cap room.

Might want to move some now so you don’t have to do this again

gtgfhl.proboards.com/thread/5075/2018-5th-rd-pks-wanted

[Jon-Seattle]

When I was a bottom of the barrel team keeping an UFA seemed to be anti productive. He’s making your team better meaning you’re likely to get a worse draft pick. I’ve also had good luck finding some diamonds in the rough in later rounds and love the long term control. If you don’t like late round picks it’s because you’re not willing to do your homework.

As a playoff team I’d love to better my team but the prices have become super inflated. Also, even though I’m first in my division I hardly have a snowballs chance in hell to make a legit run so why give up first round picks or my prized prospects for a two bit UFA. Also why give up long term assets for UFAs who aren’t half as good as my prospects are expected to be FOR SEVERAL YEARS?

I realize I’m kind of stuck in the middle at this point and I’ll probably have to end up focusing on young guys or a cup run but this ain’t the time and I’m not the only one in that situation.

I realize that’s weird coming from me since I just bought a few UFAs but I don’t think I payed that much just to shore up my team so I’m not embarrassed in the playoffs.

[Scott-New York]

I agree with that completely, Dane. I think those picks are valuable for that very reason, if you miss on a guy there, you can just drop him but I'm still not upset if I don't move a guy I had no intention of keeping. I've been to the Conference finals and lost, twice (same for you, I believe) which hurts way more than not flipping a 4th liner for a 5th. If I'm in the playoffs, I'm taking a swing, I'm buying even if it costs me a late 1st. I'm not sitting back and watching my team lose in the big games. If I lose, I want to know that I did everything in my power to win.

[Dane-Hamilton]

I’m 1-1 in conference finals haha. But I agree not flipping a 4th liner for a 5th doesn’t hurt as much as losing a cup.

Just saying that losing an asset for nothing hurts me. There’s a bunch of what ifs when it comes to playoffs, and I always try and go into with the best team without sacrificing future years too much.

I think Hartford the only GM in my books to go absolutely all in one year and it actually worked, but now he’s got a very long rebuild ahead.

[Jedediah-Hartford]

Feb 12, 2019 21:45:18 GMT -5 Dane-Hamilton said:

I’m 1-1 in conference finals haha. But I agree not flipping a 4th liner for a 5th doesn’t hurt as much as losing a cup.

Just saying that losing an asset for nothing hurts me. There’s a bunch of what ifs when it comes to playoffs, and I always try and go into with the best team without sacrificing future years too much.

I think Hartford the only GM in my books to go absolutely all in one year and it actually worked, but now he’s got a very long rebuild ahead.

True, but I get the feeling I am enjoying being an owner of a bottom-dweller more than some others....