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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 11, 2016 9:13:53 GMT -5
Sorry guys, been a while and having problem recollecting and finding the info...
For PROSPECTS: If a player was drafted, lets say 1st Rd Pk in GHL, does this make him a prospect? I forget how we determined whether or not players were prospects and not counting against our salary cap. ( For ex: Kasperi Kapanen on my team )
For UFA's and RFA's: I was doing a little scouring, and came across quite a few players whom I thought would be RFA's ( coming off their ELC's ) but they are listed as UFA's. I am assuming I missed information, as I have just come back. I guess the list will be updated sometime soon regarding who is RFA still and whom is UFA?
Oh yeah,
We can Drop One Player still? or whats the story....Probably should make a phone call to anyone willing to speak, probably easier.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 11, 2016 9:24:37 GMT -5
Prospects are guys who were drafted but have yet to play a significant number of games in one season (Something like 20 for skaters or 14 for goalies). These guys contracts are deferred one year until they play that number of games at which point they are no longer prospects.
One player can still be dropped with penalty.
Contracts are still based on number of contracts (AHL contracts don't count). A player coming off his second pro contract is a UFA. There still may be some cleanup needed as I was re-assigning players this AM. Who do you have a question on specifically and what page is he showing up as a UFA?
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 11, 2016 12:28:33 GMT -5
Thanks Glenn.
Specifically, on my team, I was wondering about Kasperi Kapanen. I was hoping his 1 mil contract would be a Prospect Contract, wasn't sure.
And, I came across Brandon Saad. Showing as a UFA. He just came off his ELC ( I think ), his first contract of 3 years. I thought, these type players were RFA I's? ...And a few others I saw like him.
I don't mean to distract you from what you were doing, was hoping someone else was gonna shut me up from my questions.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 11, 2016 19:33:52 GMT -5
I updated the queries for draftable players and also for UFAs. I believe this lists you see now are accurate.
In regards to Kapanaen he is not a prospect because he played 40+ games in the AHL this year.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 25, 2019 10:25:41 GMT -5
As it relates to Brian-Cleveland’s post regarding the signing of UFAs at 6 mil or more for one season and then releasing them...
When we find a loophole, and this is a loophole, we need to address it.
Allowing a team to sign a UFA for 6+ mil and then drop him after a season of use is gaming the system and should not be allowed.
I would say, let a team be allowed to release a player of this type after a 2nd season with the already established penalty.
Sorry, I’m not authorized to post in the section where Brian posted. Curiously, Phil was able to do so?!?!
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 25, 2019 11:18:14 GMT -5
I would contend that this might better be addressed across the board (starting next year of course) with much more stringent penalties for waiving guys. In doing so, we could eliminate this type of sceanario and teams would be charged a full yearly contract hit for dropping a player after 1 year of a 2 year contract. In the case of an 8M guy, you can drop him, but it will still cost you 8M. Maybe dropping a guy after 2 years of a 3 year contract costs you a 50% cap hit. Maybe dropping the guy on the last year of a 6 year contract only costs you a 20% cap hit.
Across the board I don't think we punish teams enough for trying to rid themselves of a bad contract.
I would love to hear what other think.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 25, 2019 12:03:28 GMT -5
why not just use NHL buyout rules
The cost is either 1/3 or 2/3 of the remaining salary, averaged out over twice as many years that were left on the contract. This is determined by the age of the player at the time of the buyout - if they are under 26, they get 1/3, if they are 26 or older they get 2/3.
It is worth mentioning that any salary slide on the remaining years goes out the window. If a 26+ player has a year at $4.2m and a year at $3.6m left, they don't get $1.4m, $1.4m, $1.2m, $1.2m - they get $1.3m in each of the 4 years.
For Hutton buyout
7.8 mil * 2/3 = 5.2 million
average out over twice remaining years = 2.6 million hit for next 2 years
For Atkinson buyout
(8.1 mil @ 5 years) 8 2/3 = 27 million
average out over twice remaining years = 2.7 million hit for next 10 years
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 25, 2019 12:30:12 GMT -5
yes! FFS use the NHL rules! Love this.
That way we don't even need a GHL rule book on a lot of stuff - if it's in the game (NHL) it's in our game!
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 25, 2019 12:37:14 GMT -5
here's our GHL rules on the use of the single Waiver per team, per season, with some annotations by me ('annotated' means I added my thoughts, Christopher)
Waiving a Player
Each team is allowed to waive 1 player (*) who had retired with penalty. (Should remove the "(*) who had retired with penalty." because it has already been decided and posted numerous times and years that the waiver can be used on ANY one player -retired, injured, newly acquired, ect).
The formula for doing so is here:
Adjusted salary: 1.2675M
Contract Length: 2 years (does this mean original contract length or contract length remaining - I'm thinking it should be contact length remaining)
Using the following formula to determine un-adjusted yearly contract amount
1 year :1
2 year : .975
3 year : .950
4 year : .925
5 year : .9
6 year : .85
Divide adjusted salary by factor to arrive at unadjusted salary:
In this case 1.2675M / .975 = 1.3M
Calculate yearly savings:
1.3M - 1.2675M = .0325M or 33K rounded
Take this amount by number of years left on contract to determine 1 time yearly hit to drop the player:
In my case, it is just 1 year so his cap hit to me next year will be:
33k * 1 (year) = 33K
* Players that were drafted can be waived freely (without a cap hit) at any time during their entry level contract if they have not played any games in the FHL. (This sentence should be excised (means taken out Chris) as it pertains more to draftees and should be located under that paragraph in the GHL rules).
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 25, 2019 13:31:07 GMT -5
why not just use NHL buyout rules The cost is either 1/3 or 2/3 of the remaining salary, averaged out over twice as many years that were left on the contract. This is determined by the age of the player at the time of the buyout - if they are under 26, they get 1/3, if they are 26 or older they get 2/3. It is worth mentioning that any salary slide on the remaining years goes out the window. If a 26+ player has a year at $4.2m and a year at $3.6m left, they don't get $1.4m, $1.4m, $1.2m, $1.2m - they get $1.3m in each of the 4 years. For Hutton buyout 7.8 mil * 2/3 = 5.2 million average out over twice remaining years = 2.6 million hit for next 2 years For Atkinson buyout (8.1 mil @ 5 years) 8 2/3 = 27 million average out over twice remaining years = 2.7 million hit for next 10 years I don't want to have to build a complex transaction year over year model to track these cap hits. I want to keep it simple, make it hurt, and have the cap hit confined to one year. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 25, 2019 14:32:49 GMT -5
Here's my extra $50.00 right now for the little Ukrainian or Indian kid to code that. We all chip in and it's paid for. Advance the GHL experience to the next level. It's what everyone wants.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 25, 2019 14:38:59 GMT -5
Here's my extra $50.00 right now for the little Ukrainian or Indian kid to code that. We all chip in and it's paid for. Advance the GHL experience to the next level. It's what everyone wants. We ALL don’t want what YOU want Phillip. We can’t have everything exactly like the NHL has it. But, FFS, we sure can make a rule for GMs that try to circumvent a process. I wasn’t targeting you directly, but your example was the freshest, so...yeah...you’re the target. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 25, 2019 15:29:15 GMT -5
Well one thing we can add to the rule book is that a retained UFA can not be traded for 1 year. That will keep people from keeping a UFA just for trade purposes.
Ex. If I could get any asset for Connauton I'd probably spend the 75 FP to sign and trade.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 25, 2019 16:49:00 GMT -5
Another topic that needs to be cleared up is how the signings for the bridge contracts is going to work. I know we said that a player coming off a bridge could only max out at 6 years, meaning if he's coming off a 2 year bridge, he can only be signed an additional 4 years. In order to do so, however, he would have to earn a 6 year contract value...
$6m = 4 year max
$4m = 3 year max
etc.
I don't believe we ever discussed the savings associated however. So, my assumption is that if a player gets a 4 year deal at $6m, the team will only get the 4 year savings, making his final salary $5.55m vs. $5.25m...
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 25, 2019 16:59:40 GMT -5
Well one thing we can add to the rule book is that a retained UFA can not be traded for 1 year. That will keep people from keeping a UFA just for trade purposes. Ex. If I could get any asset for Connauton I'd probably spend the 75 FP to sign and trade. I'm not sure how I feel about that. A sign and trade would help rebuilding teams by acquiring assets they wouldn't have been able to get. I'm not against the one year no trade, but I would need to be convinced. |
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