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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 16, 2019 8:03:50 GMT -5
My question is how is it possible to sign a UFA or trade his rights during the off-season, in regards to Coutourier, he is a UFA whose contract ran out therefore he should be a UFA for all to bid on.
How can Cleveland trade his rights, when the player is a free agent? IF such a trade is allowed before Ufa begins, what if someone offers more than the team that traded for him during Ufa process?
You cannot trade a UFA after his contract expires in NHL or ANY sport. That’s the leverage of an expiring contract. The time to move a Ufa is at trade deadline or take chance of the player hitting free agency. Have a huge issue with this!
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 16, 2019 8:14:58 GMT -5
NBA def has sign and trades, Jimmy Butler just had that happen this off season
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 16, 2019 8:16:39 GMT -5
Excluding the NBA! Thank you Dane
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 16, 2019 8:18:18 GMT -5
I wasn't for this rule, I wanted if you retain your UFA (meant to be used for franchise players) you had to keep him a minimum of a year. But lets just see how this works then adjust next year.
I think we will notice a lower pool of talent in UFA, with the majority of teams paying the 75FP to retain a UFA even if checking forward/middle D guy since its cheap enough why not.
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Post by Mike - Montreal on Jul 16, 2019 8:30:12 GMT -5
I also did not know this was permitted...I guess I assumed if you were using the FP rule to retain a UFA, you had to keep him.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 16, 2019 8:39:52 GMT -5
Why do gms continually give the teams with all the good players, even more opportunities to get more good players.? UFA is the only op for lousy teams to have a chance to land something of substance, yet this rule takes away that chance.
So instead of being faced with the a tough dilemma, a gm with a Ufa after the season ends, gets a 1st rd Pk plus extras!?
No bueno!
No offense to the Cleveland’s and Halifax’s, but all we are left to do is wait until Ufa time to try to level out the ice.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jul 16, 2019 8:50:37 GMT -5
Makes sense to me, team that signs player gets a return for a valued asset without just losing him to free agency and buyer gets a guy he might have wanted in free agency without the potential of losing him to a ridiculous bid. Downside is teams who build through free agency will see a lot of the best free agents never hit the market. For the player it’s a guaranteed max contract that meets their demands which isn’t guaranteed in FA
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Hossa would be an example of this but that’s been a few years and wasn’t received well.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 16, 2019 8:53:51 GMT -5
Why can't Cleveland use his 75 pts to sign Couturier? By doing so, he is allowing all of his other free agents to hit the open market. When a free agent signs in the NHL, the GM is under no obligation to keep him unless the player receives a no movement clause, which we only currently have for RFA's who are bid on and matched by the owning team but as of right now, this doesn't exist for UFA's (I'm not saying it won't, but I believe Cincinnati asked Glenn about that before consummating this trade). The one year rule also doesn't exist in the NHL. A team who trades for an UFA player at the trade deadline owns his rights from that time until July 1, so the argument about how the NHL conducts it's business is moot in the G. However, since UFA hasn't started yet, technically by NHL rules, Cleveland still owns Couturier and basically is maneuvering a future considerations trade with Cincinnati. Which way do you guys want to do business, by NHL or GHL rules? It seems to me, you want it both ways.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jul 16, 2019 8:56:11 GMT -5
This Happens with college free agents more often than actual UFAs now that I think about it. Usually more a trade-then-sign but same concept. Think Adam Fox
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 16, 2019 9:06:18 GMT -5
Jon- UFA means...wait for it....Unrestricted Free Agent
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Post by Lance-Pittsburgh on Jul 16, 2019 9:06:23 GMT -5
A team who trades for an UFA player at the trade deadline owns his rights from that time until July 1, so the argument about how the NHL conducts it's business is moot in the G. However, since UFA hasn't started yet, technically by NHL rules, Cleveland still owns Couturier and basically is maneuvering a future considerations trade with Cincinnati. Which way do you guys want to do business, by NHL or GHL rules? It seems to me, you want it both ways. This. I applaud the move to acquire Couturier in this manner. It's smart asset management on the part of both teams and it happens in the NHL. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 16, 2019 9:06:29 GMT -5
In the NHL you can also trade for a UFA rights before FA begins which is essentially what we are doing here, although this is normally for a late round pick because player can still hit the market. I'm not arguing GHL vs NHL I'm just saying it is likely too cheap and easy to trade UFA which will dilute the UFA pool.
The whole reason we started this discussion was because we argued "STAR" players often spend most of their careers with one team why can't we have that in the GHL, not hey can I trade Connauton for a pick for only 75 FPs.
I've got Carlson next year, Malkin 2021, Hertl 2022. Don't get me wrong I will love to trade these guys for picks if I can't afford them after using them for their full contract, I'm just not sure that's what we were originally intending this to be used for.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jul 16, 2019 9:11:06 GMT -5
Jon- UFA means...wait for it....Unrestricted Free Agent Correct and IF they go into the UFA pool there are no longer restrictions (draft pick compensation) to the former team. In this case the player never actually enters the UFA pool because they are resigned, therefor UFA status means nothing. Now that they are signed nothing says that player can’t be traded. |
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Post by Justin-Cincinnati on Jul 16, 2019 9:12:54 GMT -5
My plan for UFA was to target Couturier. I was not sure if Cleveland had plans to retain him or Marchand, or let them both walk. When he posted in the willing to move thread about a sign and trade, I cleared it with Glenn to make sure this was possible, which was the hold up in the draft last night. I figured this would be the best route to guarantee me getting him without getting into a bidding war. If the boss says its ok, then of course I'm going to pursue him this way as its the easiest to acquire him.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 16, 2019 9:17:02 GMT -5
Scott- Cleveland is allowed to ( under OUR GHL Rules ) sign 1 Ufa. Not an issue.
Issue1: the Ufa was signed ( technically ) prior to ufa process beginning.
Issue 2: Traded the Ufa during the draft and received compensation for the Ufa.
Issue 3: This allowed Cleveland extra cap space, before Ufa begins- yet it began for Cleveland and Cincy already.
I don’t hv a problem with a team resigning their Ufa. But what are the guidelines? What Ufa resigns with his NHL for big money yet allows them to move him immediately? There must be a better process. This is not it!
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