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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 14, 2021 11:13:41 GMT -5
This got Glenn's blessing already, here is a quick run through the details.
This hasn't been addressed as a policy before as these events are rare, but this post is to inform owners that if they do have a player counting against their cap who no longer has a card due to an injury forced retirement or untimely death, they can ask to have the player dropped off their books.
There is some grey area in what is a "career ending injury" that may require an impartial review on a case by case basis.
If the commissioner agrees, the players will be able to be dropped as if they were playing in Europe.
Think Joni Pitkanen's heel exploding, forced him to retire.
For example: I would like to drop Jay Bouwmeester due to his cardiac episode on the bench. I would request this in the waive/drop/overseas thread for this offseason, it would go to Glenn and others to determine if that injury directly lead to his retirement and their ruling would either allow me to drop that player and moved the cap hit off my books, or decline my request. I would have no say the matter.
Come to think of it, what team Cobly Cave had when he passed? What happened in that scenario?
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jun 14, 2021 11:25:25 GMT -5
What about younger guys who just decide to retire or not play, such as Michael Grabner? This doesn't happen too often in the NHL, mostly NFL, but figured I'd ask since there was an example of it this season. I saw the rule in the rule book, but it says old geezers. Is there an age cutoff for this?
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 14, 2021 11:35:40 GMT -5
In Grabner's case, as far as I can tell he actually hasn't retired. He's currently listed as a UFA. He was bought out and was reportedly trying to land a gig between last December to the start of the season but nothing materialized.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 14, 2021 11:36:37 GMT -5
nope...ANY sort of Retirement, any age, tenure in league - injury, union aided or just plain ole' old and done, son = all these are still counted against CAP unless waived with penalty.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 14, 2021 11:38:20 GMT -5
I'm sure there are some players 'treading water' and not actually retired so I would think we need an 'official NHL statement of retirement' -which they do put out.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 14, 2021 11:40:54 GMT -5
nope...ANY sort of Retirement, any age, tenure in league - injury, union aided or just plain ole' old and done, son = all these are still counted against CAP unless waived with penalty. Guys dying too??? The rule is in place so old players aren't signed for exorbitant contract terms in regards to years only to jettison them afterwards. The league has and will hear cases on a case by case basis where a player is forced to retire because of medical reasons. Bouwmeister falls into this category. From my understanding of the players situation, Grabner does not. |
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 14, 2021 11:43:58 GMT -5
If we want to mirror the NHL, which I recall you being a supporter of (myself as well) retirement definitely does allow for cap relief.
To add an example to that point, Jay Bouwmeester retired instead of riding the LTIR and cashing a paycheck (ala Hossa and his 'allergy') specifically so that the Blues could have extra cash to try to keep Pietrangelo.
This is for careers that were definitively ended early due to a specific injury or death. Guys who can't land a job will need to be bought out.
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jun 14, 2021 11:52:04 GMT -5
If we wanted to mirror the NHL as close as possible while still cutting out the cap circumvention, we could give the cap hit of a retired player the total amount saved on the contract from the years bonus, not just the years left. Or could do just the years left as well. But I’m assuming it doesn’t affect too many players where a change is needed
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 14, 2021 12:13:09 GMT -5
We want to mirror the NHL but no give the old man a stroke with coding....it's a give and take.
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 14, 2021 12:45:21 GMT -5
We want to mirror the NHL but no give the old man a stroke with coding....it's a give and take. He's up for it. Career ending injuries aren't common, but when they do happen we have a standard now. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 14, 2021 12:50:11 GMT -5
Just to be clear we already have a standard for guys being injured all year. If they are, they can be dropped freely or retained for 100k.
The addition was how to handle guys who are forced to retire because of injury and don't spend a year as part of an organization on IR
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 14, 2021 13:14:14 GMT -5
I like it. It seems to make sense and should only be used in extreme circumstances. For instance had Stalock chosen to retire this year because of the heart condition that developed after contracting COVID, and I had signed him to numerous years it would make sense.
I would have planned on having him for a few years rather than just trying to get the best deal on his contract. But this would have given us a clearer ruling to say let’s just clear out this contract as it would be extremely detrimental to a team and thus the league as a whole.
That said he is trying to come back (and he’s an UFA now) so had I had him on a multi year contract he would just have to go on LTIR as he is expected to try and make a comeback.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 20, 2021 9:40:46 GMT -5
Last call for comments on this subject. If no additional comments in 48 hours, we will consider this adopted.
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