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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Mar 9, 2024 9:44:44 GMT -5
It's amazing to see these GM's do nothing for their teams year after year.
It's basic common sense, if you're a team that isn't in the playoff hunt and you're in possession of UFA's that can bring you draft picks, prospects or players, that you trade them away. Yet, year after year, that's what happens in the GHL.
We have teams without a GM, and we have teams that may as well not have a GM.
Time to weed the garden.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Mar 9, 2024 11:12:37 GMT -5
The only way to weed this garden, is to make it a paid league. Something to win, something to keep vested interest, and something to dissuade collusion.
If guys don't want to pay, then they don't really have interest. For all the work Glenn put into the creation of it all, maintaining of it all and betterment...it worth paying a little for it all.
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Post by Scott-New York on Mar 9, 2024 12:06:39 GMT -5
The problem is simple, not enough engaged owners. Making it a paid league would require higher entry fees and then we most likely lose a few owners
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 13:04:50 GMT -5
It's amazing to see these GM's do nothing for their teams year after year. It's basic common sense, if you're a team that isn't in the playoff hunt and you're in possession of UFA's that can bring you draft picks, prospects or players, that you trade them away. Yet, year after year, that's what happens in the GHL. We have teams without a GM, and we have teams that may as well not have a GM. Time to weed the garden. I have no idea what other managers are doing behind the scenes but some of us are working the phones and using the boards to see who wants what and what they are willing to pay for a title shot. It’s sometimes a little frustrating when you’re checking messages several times a day and next to nobody is responding or countering. And because most people have lives outside of the G, it’s possible that there’s a lack of urgency to respond, especially when the market seems flooded with rental players. I think the fact that the UFA market is so rich every trade deadline means that it has become too attractive to be a seller and cut bait even for bubble teams who might be in a position to try for a push. In my perfect world, one in-season sign and trade might make deadline negotiations more meaningful, either in lieu of an off season re-signing, or perhaps making the one offseason re-signing cost twice the FP. With all the work Glenn puts into this thing, it seems like we have to be more dynamic as owner/managers to keep the momentum going. I don’t pretend to have the secret sauce to make engagement more important, but I would like to know how to make ‘garbage time’ less bearable for teams who are on the bubble. Maybe if the distribution of points was more ‘weighted’, so that both conference finalists and basement dwellers would receive more FP, the impetus behind doing nothing at the deadline is mitigated and activity becomes more important? If anyone has any thoughts to add here I would love to hear them. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Mar 9, 2024 13:53:16 GMT -5
Owen, we all have a different perception of what a 'rich UFA market" is...but, this year it is/was definitely not a rich market. Regardless, there are several teams that have not been engaged for years. YEARS!
I am definitely NOT in favor of rewarding the Basement teams anymore. They've had ample time to rectify their situations. It's apparent, that regardless if they were to receive some FP compensation or whatever, it wouldn't make a difference for those teams!
YOU, are not one of those teams. You ARE engaged.
We are aware that nearly all of us have lives outside the GHL. No one is forced to be here! BUT, If you ARE here, then you made a commitment to us all that you WANTED to be here.
Set your lineup. Manage your team. That's really all you need to do. The other stuff is all extra, to make your team that much better than the others.
A Free System, where everyone gets a trophy or gets a reward for contributing zero or very little....is BS!!!
$50-100 a team!
Earn Points for Place of Finish
Earn Points for Player/Team Accomplishments (ie:Most Goals, Assists, Points, PP, SH, Hits, Blocks, Saves, Wins, Shut Outs, Rookie of Year, Cup Winner, Playoffs, etc...)
Let's see what Glenn has up his sleeve!
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 14:12:44 GMT -5
Chris,
I don’t think it’s about ‘rewarding’ basement dwellers. The idea is to get them out of the basement as much as to reward the teams that go all in on a playoff push and make mediocrity less of an attractive option.
Regarding the notion of a rich UFA market, I semi-agree with your point. But where I differ in opinion is that without the option of a single sign and trade, great assets which should fetch a return are often not worth investing in Still, the board indicates that nearly every active team that does not see itself as a contender, draws up a rather large list of UFA assets that they want to unload.
Trade deadline signings or sign and trades make it more interesting for everyone involved and in my opinion, should (would) make engagement more attractive than shaking everyone down for 100 dollars. With respect, that could easily make membership shrink considerably.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 14:39:17 GMT -5
To continue, I like the idea of most hits, blocks, shots, saves etc. question is, do ou calculate the total number of each per team, or by the top player (s) of each category? I somehow always tend to have a guy leading the league in hits and blocks.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Mar 9, 2024 14:59:22 GMT -5
Shaking down!? If you want to be here...you WANT to be here. If you don't, there's always Yahoo Fantasy!
You're a vested GM. There's a few who are not. We have a few open teams, and this is FREE!
There's little to no cost to abandon a team or the league. No accountability. Even if it were only $50, $25 for the normal cost of playing and $25 more for creating competitiveness and involvement. Still may not create a full time involvement, but it may help to get GM's more involved. I'm spitballing ideas...Not in favor of the current status-quo.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Mar 9, 2024 15:00:48 GMT -5
At the end of the day we all know who’s engaged in this league and who’s not …. I make trade offers and send messages to owners all the time and not even about trading but just to keep friendships up so when and if we do make trades it’s a lot easier in negotiations…. I have that with a few teams and some other teams will politely decline a deal which is fine but not really engage in conversations I don’t hold it against them …. There are a few ways to build a team in this league , you do what works best for u …. Good luck 🍀 to all fighting for playoff position!!!
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 17:12:32 GMT -5
Shaking down!? If you want to be here...you WANT to be here. If you don't, there's always Yahoo Fantasy! You're a vested GM. There's a few who are not. We have a few open teams, and this is FREE! There's little to no cost to abandon a team or the league. No accountability. Even if it were only $50, $25 for the normal cost of playing and $25 more for creating competitiveness and involvement. Still may not create a full time involvement, but it may help to get GM's more involved. I'm spitballing ideas...Not in favor of the current status-quo. I understand why you feel strongly about this, and I agree — the status quo is another name for mediocrity. I also think that inflating the cost to participate is likely to be counterproductive as the less-engaged would be more likely to bail. I doubt everyone is as passionate about this as competitive GM’s like yourself, therefore, it would be probably better to come up with ways to make the league more attractive and engaging, in support of the amazing framework Glenn has developed than to make it more exclusive. The question is, how do you attract casual players and get them interested in being more competitive? I personally think that the answer is to offer more creative ways to manage such as the ones I suggested earlier. It feels like unless you’re a lock for playoffs by American thanksgiving, some owners stop participating. The season is not even close to half over by then, still guys are posting about fire sales and going scorched earth instead of trying to think about what they can do to turn things around over the next few months, even if it is in preparation for the future. |
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 19:00:33 GMT -5
Shaking down!? If you want to be here...you WANT to be here. If you don't, there's always Yahoo Fantasy! You're a vested GM. There's a few who are not. We have a few open teams, and this is FREE! There's little to no cost to abandon a team or the league. No accountability. Even if it were only $50, $25 for the normal cost of playing and $25 more for creating competitiveness and involvement. Still may not create a full time involvement, but it may help to get GM's more involved. I'm spitballing ideas...Not in favor of the current status-quo. I understand why you feel strongly about this, and I agree — the status quo is another name for mediocrity. I also think that inflating the cost to participate is likely to be counterproductive as the less-engaged would be more likely to bail. I doubt everyone is as passionate about this as competitive GM’s like yourself, therefore, it would be probably better to come up with ways to make the league more attractive and engaging, in support of the amazing framework Glenn has developed than to make it more exclusive. The question is, how do you attract casual players and get them interested in being more competitive? I personally think that the answer is to offer more creative ways to manage such as the ones I suggested earlier. It feels like unless you’re a lock for playoffs by American thanksgiving, some owners stop participating. The season is not even close to half over by then, still guys are posting about fire sales and going scorched earth instead of trying to think about what they can do to turn things around over the next few months, even if it is in preparation for the future. Now this probably isn’t possible but I am watching hockey night in Canada right now and it strikes me once again how much in game betting has become integral to the NHL. I’ve never been into sports betting but it would be interesting if it were possible to inject some of that into our own game… first goal, hits, goal spread, etc. not for cash but some other ‘currency’ that would make in season attributes available to owners. Things like resistance to injury, goalie recovery time, etc. less auto pilot management and more incentive to compete every week. Just spitballing but who wouldn’t enjoy an extra layer or two of strategizing? |
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Post by Scott-New York on Mar 9, 2024 20:02:17 GMT -5
The trade activity might increase if it were possible to buy a UFA at the deadline and at least have some chance of retainment. As our rules stand right now, the player has to be on your roster for a year to get any advantage in re-signing, which to me, makes buying high on a UFA very unattractive.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 20:13:25 GMT -5
The trade activity might increase if it were possible to buy a UFA at the deadline and at least have some chance of retainment. As our rules stand right now, the player has to be on your roster for a year to get any advantage in re-signing, which to me, makes buying high on a UFA very unattractive. Maybe I have it backwards: instead of making the off-season re-sign twice the price of FP, perhaps that’s an effective trade deadline procedure? |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Mar 9, 2024 20:14:10 GMT -5
Owen, I'm not saying that there needs to be more trading, or that making trades is being more active...I'm literally talking about the basic concept of setting a lineup, keeping up on injuries to a roster, rotating goalies, etc...
Trading at the deadline is just smart to help your team for the following season instead of letting those assets walk away for free.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Mar 9, 2024 20:33:22 GMT -5
Chris: I agree but again, it means that the bubble teams become likely to just unload and mail it in after Thanksgiving , and with no ability to retain the asset, what incentive is there to transact or compete? They’re better off just tanking it. Why try at all if you can’t at least look at flipping assets for a pending UFA who you want to keep around in the future?
If guys don’t want to set their lineups, there’s little that can be done, honestly. But In-game betting could create more interest. From player durability to a slight bump in odds in terms of draft position could be possible incentives . I think some GMA like yourself have been active in player ratings because you understand how it might impact your assets…same idea in many ways.There’s likely numerous ways to make it more enticing to stay active but making non competitive owners shell out more money isn’t the solution in my opinion.
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