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Post by Scott-New York on Jan 19, 2013 14:31:06 GMT -5
I have noticed a lot of these guys kicking around the league. Not trying to call anyone out but Carter Hutton was one that jumped out at me recently. If a player's contract date is 2099, using him on your pro roster means you will have to sign him to a pro contract next season. This is one of the areas where draft picks have value, now you're in a position of tying up off season $ you didn't really need to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 14:38:27 GMT -5
I lose Roloson in the off season. Johnson too, I think. I'm OK with signing him to a pro contract.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jan 19, 2013 14:42:31 GMT -5
Just want to make sure everyone understands the rule, not directed specifically at you bud and does not apply to just Hutton, look around the rosters boys, quite a few of these players popping up on the big clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 15:07:37 GMT -5
Appreciate all the input from the veteran owners...cheers Scotty
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Post by Scott-New York on Jan 19, 2013 23:09:27 GMT -5
I have a proposal for dealing with this issue. I would personally love to see these guys be unusable but the understand the possible need because of injuries, even though the need would be far less if draft picks were mandatory. I still don't understand that rule. Anyway, I propose that if a player on a minor league contract is called up, he must be given a pro contract prior to playing in any games AND the first year of the players contract begins immediately, which in effect means you lose a year on his term. This would give the drafted players more value and make owners more responsible for their caps. (don't worry to those who feel the later round draft picks are a waste of money, even though I disagree with you, I am also working on ideas I plan to present to Glenn for a true salary cap, giving those picks even more value)
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jan 20, 2013 7:49:01 GMT -5
I have a proposal for dealing with this issue. I would personally love to see these guys be unusable but the understand the possible need because of injuries, even though the need would be far less if draft picks were mandatory. I still don't understand that rule. Anyway, I propose that if a player on a minor league contract is called up, he must be given a pro contract prior to playing in any games AND the first year of the players contract begins immediately, which in effect means you lose a year on his term. This would give the drafted players more value and make owners more responsible for their caps. (don't worry to those who feel the later round draft picks are a waste of money, even though I disagree with you, I am also working on ideas I plan to present to Glenn for a true salary cap, giving those picks even more value) Mayhaps it is time for another Talkshoe event to discuss this and other topics/ideas that folks may have.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jan 20, 2013 13:20:30 GMT -5
I am not an advocate of making changes to rules during a season but everyone was aware of this rule going into the season, it was mentioned on the boards. I can forgive those who weren't aware however because I didn't see it in the rulebook and it should certainly be added post haste.
Case in point. Peter Leblanc credited with game winning goal for Rochester last night vs. Toronto, 150K contract. I believe these players must be signed before playing in a single game and if it becomes neccassary to pull them up, (which it shouldn't, we all have the opportunity to select 5 players in the draft, all of which would be eligible for the big club), the players contract years should start immediately as I said, essentially costing the team a year, or half year, or what be it, of said contract.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jan 20, 2013 13:25:40 GMT -5
good for you Scotty....keep on this. It's accurate and needs accountability.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 16:04:19 GMT -5
I'm in favour of another Talkshoe. If I'm required to ink my guys to deals now, no sweat. Tell me how.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jan 20, 2013 18:17:34 GMT -5
I'm in favour of another Talkshoe. If I'm required to ink my guys to deals now, no sweat. Tell me how. No need Owen, if you use a minor league guy this year you need to sign him to a pro contract next year.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jan 20, 2013 18:22:59 GMT -5
2 questions...
1. Isn't there a 'free' 5 games ? Only if 6 games does the 'year' kick in ?
2. If he's called up but a healthy scratch, i.e was at the pregame skate but did not dress...does that count as a game ?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jan 20, 2013 20:28:19 GMT -5
2 questions... 1. Isn't there a 'free' 5 games ? Only if 6 games does the 'year' kick in ? 2. If he's called up but a healthy scratch, i.e was at the pregame skate but did not dress...does that count as a game ? No on both counts
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Post by Scott-New York on Jan 21, 2013 0:19:47 GMT -5
Joe Vitale, 30-21, 225k, has played 30 games this season, how did this slip through cracks? Especially with a card that high.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jan 21, 2013 8:36:24 GMT -5
Joe Vitale, 30-21, 225k, has played 30 games this season, how did this slip through cracks? Especially with a card that high. No one slipped through the cracks. There is nothing in place to track this during the season so by it;s very nature, you can't have cracks in a gaping void. Once the season is done I will be able to write a query to identify any player on a minor league contract that played with the big club. These guys will then have to be given a pro contract.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jan 21, 2013 12:25:57 GMT -5
I have no problem with this other than that it devalues the later round picks. I know we have discussed this and you didn't want us to realize an extreme value if one of our minor league contracted players exploded to having a usable card. My example was not an explosion by any means but a usable card to be sure on a lot of clubs. Was trying to clear this up not only for all owners but myself as well as I was under the impression that if we were intending to use a player in our line up that he had to be on a pro contract as that is the premise I have been following.
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