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Post by Ian-Halifax on Jun 28, 2015 10:37:20 GMT -5
So we are going to reward teams when their players don't actually play now? People have up and down years, why are we changing that all the sudden? Seriously, there are some pretty good players (not even talking about my team) who have worse cards than a guy who played more in the AHL than the NHL this year. I don't understand why a player who plays and has a decent year is worse in our league than a guy who was so bad he didn't even play. As for the forwards you said, we will have to agree to disagree. No matter how you break it down the numbers aren't going to change. Cole did his work in less total time, but that work was also less overall points. None of that changes his PPG, if he doesn't play it doesn't hurt/help him. He had 104 less minutes than Lee, which breaks down to 7 games when you're playing 14:30 a game. 7*.57 =~4. So let's assume he did play those, he would have 43 points vs Lee's 41 in the same total time on ice. Using your theory, you're saying Cole getting 43 points makes an offense rating 10 points higher than Lee who had 41 if they had played the same total of minutes, even with the fact that Lee had more goals which is weighted higher.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 28, 2015 10:50:51 GMT -5
If Setuguchi spent most of the year in the AHL then he should not have been given the average ofd his card. This was meant for players who missed a huge chunk of the year due to injury only. I will review his case.
Regarding the rest, I am done wasting my time trying to explain it to you here on the forum. I would rather spend my time finishing the tasks at hand as we move towards the draft.
Skype offer still stands.
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Post by John-Michigan on Jun 28, 2015 11:17:54 GMT -5
Well said all things will work out even Hammond being listed as draft eligible.....
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 28, 2015 11:24:09 GMT -5
10-4 John. One of the tasks is getting guys who have NHLIDs now and had AHLIDs when they were drafter/acquired synched up. Also, owners of players with guys like Hammond will have to make a call as to if they want the current values (with a low stamina) or nerfed values (with their actual stamina). This was the case with Jones last year as well as a Flame goalie if I remember correctly.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 28, 2015 11:48:55 GMT -5
Main question I have right now is why are guys with low assists offense rating killed
Brandon Pirri 22 goals 2 assists - .49 ppg in 14:49 45 offense
Jason Zucker 21 goals 5 assists - .51 ppg on 15:03 63 offense
I get that with their shot and shot per ratings they will get goals, but why would not getting assists hurt their offense ratings (stick handling, find space, net presence etc.) these guys are a liability to turn the puck over every time they touch it unless they shoot right away. I agree their pass rating should be awful just not their whole offense especially with goals weighted more heavily. I mean Ryan (boxer on skates) reaves is a 61 offense haha
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 28, 2015 11:57:50 GMT -5
Main question I have right now is why are guys with low assists offense rating killed Brandon Pirri 22 goals 2 assists - .49 ppg in 14:49 45 offense Jason Zucker 21 goals 5 assists - .51 ppg on 15:03 63 offense I get that with their shot and shot per ratings they will get goals, but why would not getting assists hurt their offense ratings (stick handling, find space, net presence etc.) these guys are a liability to turn the puck over every time they touch it unless they shoot right away. I agree their pass rating should be awful just not their whole offense especially with goals weighted more heavily. I mean Ryan (boxer on skates) reaves is a 61 offense haha They aren't or shouldn't be. I would look for an equivalent player that was a 13G-13A instead of 22-4 and see what their score is. Given the same number of games/icetime, I would expect the be the 22-4 guy higher. The pass ratings are only used in the offensive zone for guys who have poor pass ratings (like many stay at home d-men). In the d-zone, the players neutral rating is used so these players aren't turnover machines.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 28, 2015 12:13:35 GMT -5
Brock Nelson 20 goals 22 assists - .51 ppg in 15:59 81 offense
had :56 more toi than zucker with same ppg but still had an 18 higher offense
Will try and find someone similar with same gp as zucker but not sure why that would matter
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 28, 2015 12:17:17 GMT -5
Brock Nelson 20 goals 22 assists - .51 ppg in 15:59 81 offense had :56 more toi than zucker with same ppg but still had an 18 higher offense Will try and find someone similar with same gp as zucker but not sure why that would matter 42 points to 26 points would equate to a higher score here correct? What part of this am I not understanding?
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 28, 2015 12:21:32 GMT -5
Kyle Palmieri .51 in 14:09 14 goals 15 assist 77 offense
Artem Anisimov .52 in 16:22 7 goals 22 assists 71 offense
Mikael Backlund .52 in 17:44 10 goals 17 assists 70 offense
2 people with quite a bit more toi relatively same ppg but at least 7 higher than Zucker and over 25 higher than Pirri
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 28, 2015 12:22:11 GMT -5
Brock Nelson 20 goals 22 assists - .51 ppg in 15:59 81 offense had :56 more toi than zucker with same ppg but still had an 18 higher offense Will try and find someone similar with same gp as zucker but not sure why that would matter 42 points to 26 points would equate to a higher score here correct? What part of this am I not understanding? GP Zucker had 51 Nelson had 80 ppg was the same
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jun 28, 2015 12:41:09 GMT -5
At first glance, I don't see anything 'horrible' on my team... granted, I haven't looked hard though.
Two minor issues
Spooner has been healthy all year and not missed a game due to injury but he is a ghl '4' fortitude. He is being penalized for shuttling back and forth to AHL or healthy scratch?
Old man Dan Boyle passing rating is only 33. Should be much higher.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 28, 2015 12:47:48 GMT -5
At first glance, I don't see anything 'horrible' on my team... granted, I haven't looked hard though. Two minor issues Spooner has been healthy all year and not missed a game due to injury but he is a ghl '4' fortitude. He is being penalized for shuttling back and forth to AHL or healthy scratch? Old man Dan Boyle passing rating is only 33. Should be much higher. Don't know if he's added ahl for fort yet, Boyles pass looks consistent 11 assist 33 rating Hjalmarsson had 16 and a 38 rating, Carlson had 43 and is a 76 rating
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 28, 2015 13:18:23 GMT -5
Forts have not yet been combined for guys playing both in the AHL and NHL. This will be done soon.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 28, 2015 13:50:42 GMT -5
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jun 28, 2015 13:58:43 GMT -5
Found a few more examples comparing to Pirri and Zucker (only two with high goals and low assists I found)
Brandon Pirri 49 GP - 22 Goals 2 Assists 14:46 TOI with .49 points per game (45 Offense) Jason Zucker 51 GP - 21 Goals 5 Assists 15:03 .51 points per game (63 Offense)
Brad Richardson 45 GP - 8 Goals 13 Assists 14:28 .47 points per game (78 Offense) Melker Karlsson 53 GP - 13 Goals 11 Assists 15:26 .45 points per game (72 Offense) Vincent Trocheck 50 GP - 7 Goals 15 Assists 14:00 .44 points per game (72 Offense) Jordan Staal 46 GP - 6 Goals 18 Assists 18:33 .52 points per game (66 Offense) Spencer Abbott AHL 65 GP - 19 goals 26 Assists (44 Offense)
Jordan Staal is closest to Zucker but has more than 3:30 extra TOI. Spencer Abbott from my team who played AHL all year is closest to Pirri with only 1 worse Offense rating.
Not sure what causes low assists (5 or less)to affect offense so much when paired with high goals.
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