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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 21, 2016 13:39:03 GMT -5
Decided to start a new thread since the last hashed out the player protections for the expansion:
Teams can protect: 7 forwards, 3 defensemen, 1 goalie OR 8 skaters, 1 goalie
All 2018+ RFAs are protected, except players on a bridge deal. There are no exposure requirements.
We can use this thread to discuss roster limits for the 30 players drafted and ways to conduct the draft. For roster limits I think 17 F, 10 D and 3 G would be good and give almost 2 lines depth at both F and D.
For how the draft is conducted not sure a new owner would be the most informed to build a team from scratch with the complexity of contracts, salary cap, player cards etc. I would be interested in having the Champion have 1st pick, Runner-Up 2nd etc. until all teams have lost a player and the roster limits are fulfilled. Only thing that may get messy is if someone picks a player that is obviously bad for the salary cap i.e. 8 million dollar 3rd goalie.
Just thought I’d get the discussion started since if we can get this done now it’s one less thing in the offseason.
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Oct 22, 2016 10:28:34 GMT -5
It sounds like you want each team to pick the player from their own team to give to the the expansion team, am I reading that correctly?
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 22, 2016 10:32:42 GMT -5
Nah should have clarified, can't pick a player from your own team. So Adirondack if he repeats can pick an unprotected player from any team that isn't his as 1st pick. Once he picks that team can't be picked from again.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 22, 2016 10:33:52 GMT -5
People may say your rival will try and dick you over on purpose, but isn't that a good thing? Means you're taking their best player for the new team.
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Oct 22, 2016 12:39:13 GMT -5
It would be just as easy for someone to pick someone from a friend's franchise that might benefit that team, even if it was defensible enough of a choice. I don't think there should be a reason for an expansion draft pick other than for the betterment of the new team.
Personally if I was coming into the league I'd balk at the idea of not being able to make my own choices regarding the expansion draft process.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 22, 2016 12:58:36 GMT -5
Didn't think of that and you're right that could pose a problem for some people. If we go new owner route he will need a lot of help I feel like. Just with my team David Savard will be my best exposed player card wise. If a guy like Cleveland or Cincy were picking a player from my team I have to believe they would take someone like Marchenko or Brodin for the new team instead of Savard on an expensive 1 year deal a new owner might not have that foresight.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Oct 22, 2016 14:30:25 GMT -5
I think a lot of the actual draft for the expansion team should be conducted by the league. If we can even get a new owner that's interested in the expansion team I would suggest that he has a vote in how things go but until then we can create a draft board of sorts after teams establish their protected lists sometime after the trade deadline. If a suitable owner isn't found then we either have all the teams make one pick and have a few owners set up to round out the team or 3-5 owners who make all the picks.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 22, 2016 14:49:08 GMT -5
1. Two other teams are ownerless. I doubt they will be filled before the new franchise, so it wouldn't be right to allow 'SOMEone' to jump over them to take the new team.
The ONLY fair thing to do is mirror the draft lottery and have the #1 team make a pick then so on. Remember, each team only loses one player.
Pick your Enemy's team player!
Each owner picks another team's player - not your own obviously.
both FAIR and FUN!!!
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 22, 2016 18:40:01 GMT -5
It's actually not fair for the reasons stated above...
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 22, 2016 19:11:45 GMT -5
It's actually not fair for the reasons stated above... I don't know, only thing not fair about it seems that friends might not pick the best player available on their other friends franchise. That could be fixed by not allowing people to pick from friends teams or having the committee of 3 approve and can veto if all 3 feel there was a better player available on that team. Other options could be Glenn drafts for the team, a committee drafts the team, or a new owner picks the team. I'm kind of against a new owner picking the team just because they can make poor decisions not understanding how the engine, contracts etc work and leave the next year leaving a franchise with a lot of work to do. I don't think a new owner will back out because he can't do the expansion draft himself especially since he will get to handpick his new franchise centerpiece with the 3rd ish overall draft pick
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 22, 2016 19:16:57 GMT -5
fuk comittee...THAT aint fair fer sure.
my way is the bestest
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Oct 22, 2016 20:07:19 GMT -5
I was going to say something a little snarky but I'd point out that an expansion team picked by the top 3-5 owners is gunna have a more consistent theme to it rather than just a random assortment of players. Without a vision for how that team should be built you won't get anywhere which means a new owner is unlikely to be as interested in taking the reins.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 22, 2016 20:55:51 GMT -5
A new owner worth his salt...with some stones....will DEMAND to take the 'worst franchise' and build it.
Show me the new potential owner who whines about a team not having enough talent or having years of 'bad drafting' and I'll show you a real puddin' of a man. wait a tic...I think Sal whined like that, way back. Enough said.
As to each owner picking a player....FANTASTIC. You KNOW that good players are going to be picked because I'm DEF going to choose the best possible player from either Quebec or Philly ect, if they are available...and on down. No worries there. All the GM's are going to pick great players.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 22, 2016 20:59:59 GMT -5
We need to concentrate on the season we have in front of us anyway....not the phantom new franchise. No sense worrying about how each one of us is going to lose one itty bitty player and having 3-4 threads devoted to it.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Oct 22, 2016 22:13:16 GMT -5
This season is already being played out, there's not much to do but wait unless you wanna come knock on my door for a goalie. That said expansion will be a major undertaking and while the team may get good players if they're all old or on one year deals or guys decided that they'd take the best available player and the team ends up with 18 good defenseman to play alongside 2 centers and a goalie because we all just picked the best player we could then we're going to run into trouble. You can't just pick the best players there's normally some thought that goes into it. If we take goalie "A" on team 1 over a good center "B" when team 2 has no offensive talent and a goalie "C" who's almost just as good but on a better contract we're going to start running into troubles down the line when teams 25-30 are devoid of any offensive talent but all the expansion team needs is a winger.
I get that some of ya'll put your teams together on the fly but we don't need another cobbled together mess. We're looking to make a team that has a shot at not being a dumpster fire and you want to throw on the gasoline.
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