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Post by Owen-Moncton on Dec 2, 2018 15:39:04 GMT -5
Scott, I'm interested in knowing why 25 is too high. If the only metric being affected is STAM, then a STAM of 5 should suffice for a backup, who plays far less than 50% of what a legit starter does. At least, that's the way it should be, if we are trying to emulate NHL standards.
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Dec 2, 2018 15:49:38 GMT -5
He is saying that he thinks Glenn's game cut of is less than 25 before the cards are nurfed.
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Post by Scott-New York on Dec 2, 2018 15:51:56 GMT -5
I was talking about the nerfing of stats as well, but I don't want to see a true back up who doesn't reach the 25 game mark have his card nerfed. Stamina and card value are two separate and completely different things.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Dec 2, 2018 16:10:56 GMT -5
I suggested less than 25 games should equal a STAM no greater than 5. He says 25 is too high. Im just trying to get a clarification.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Dec 2, 2018 17:06:39 GMT -5
I was talking about the nerfing of stats as well, but I don't want to see a true back up who doesn't reach the 25 game mark have his card nerfed. Stamina and card value are two separate and completely different things. Ok so I'm kind of confused: does NHL experience affect STAM or TECH/ATH ratings? I'm just saying STAM should be nerfed for goalies with less than 25 games, if their TECH/ATH numbers arent going to be affected. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Dec 2, 2018 18:07:05 GMT -5
Both could possibly be affected...In skater's they are both affected for sure but I'm not sure if the same logic, which I outlined in my previous post, is used for goalies. If it isn't, maybe that is the solution here.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Dec 2, 2018 18:38:40 GMT -5
I think a combination of TECH/ATH pts and STAM rating might give a better representation of a rookie goalie's performance. I just have a hard time with a rookie having both good TECH/ATH and the kind of STAM that allows him to play as many games as a starter. And that's where we are at right now as evidenced by AG in HAM.
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Post by Scott-New York on Dec 2, 2018 19:05:07 GMT -5
Matt Murray's 1st GHL card 13 NHL games, 2.00 GAA, .930 save % 31 AHL games, 2.10 GAA, .931 save % I have no problem with this card because of the 4 stamina. This is exactly how it should be in my opinion. I question why Georgiev has the 7 stamina while Murray's seems to have been capped at 4.  |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Dec 3, 2018 13:03:02 GMT -5
Matt Murray's 1st GHL card 13 NHL games, 2.00 GAA, .930 save % 31 AHL games, 2.10 GAA, .931 save % I have no problem with this card because of the 4 stamina. This is exactly how it should be in my opinion. I question why Georgiev has the 7 stamina while Murray's seems to have been capped at 4. Because Brian, or whoever owned him at the time was given a choice of having the higher stats and lower stamina or a more average card with the stamina based on his total GP that year (including AHL). He chose the former. This choice has been made a few times over the years when dealing with exceptional cards and lower NHL games played. This isn't a loophole or a hole in the logic. It is something that every year we handle but only for guys who have exceptional cards. AG card is average, not exceptional. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Dec 3, 2018 13:07:50 GMT -5
Well, that's an issue, seeing as how Murray played 44 games in the example above and Georgiev played 47 last season yet Murray was a 4 stamina and Georgiev is a 7
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Dec 3, 2018 14:33:51 GMT -5
Well, that's an issue, seeing as how Murray played 44 games in the example above and Georgiev played 47 last season yet Murray was a 4 stamina and Georgiev is a 7 I think what Glenn is saying is that Georgiev's card is nerfed with the 7 stamina. If he was given a lower stamina then his card would have higher numbers (like Murray above). Is that right? |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Dec 3, 2018 14:44:50 GMT -5
That is correct Brian.
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Post by Scott-New York on Dec 3, 2018 15:11:16 GMT -5
Ok, so why two sets of criteria? With skaters, if a player gets an NHL card, he gets an NHL stamina, goalies should be the same. 13 games played for a goalie is a 4 stamina?
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Dec 3, 2018 16:17:10 GMT -5
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YAHTZEEEEE!!!!
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Dec 3, 2018 18:49:10 GMT -5
Glenn, what about AG' performance suggests either higher TECH/ATH numbers or a STAM that allows him to platoon (ie play equal games with a starter) are warranted? |
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