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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jan 13, 2023 15:57:44 GMT -5
I totally understand if things are out of whack, that we should try to bring them into order. By the same token, I have built my team up to where it is by moving good assets and picks to make a team which is amongst the best. That's not a knock on anyone else, it's my opinion, and by the looks of things, a true statement.
Others may not have the same enthusiasm or commitment or even the persistence I contribute to this league. I'm not saying ALL of the GM's are dogs...I'm saying, MAYBE I pay a little too much attention to MY TEAM. I KNOW there are others putting the same effort into it.
What bothers me is the Participation Trophy mentality, the coddling of the lesser team, or rules/sim changes to help the GM that hasn't been doing the same thing as me.
I also understand, that if we don't help the lesser team, those teams may be abandoned. We don't want that!
To Joe-Adirondack's point, It is amazingly frustrating to build a Top team and for my team to be dominating a game so mis-proportionately, while my team was ahead on paper before the game even began, yet lose. Not just once in a while, but several times.
You cannot use the NHL comparison the this GHL. Reason being, there are too many GHL teams that are not comparable to the basement NHL teams. Yes, they might be comparatively shitty teams, but the disparity here in the GHL is greater than that of the NHL. Only a couple teams in the NHL are shitty, but they have top notch talent by way of Draft Picks playing. Honestly, there is better disparity in the GHL this season. The teams in the middle of the GHL pack, are better than years past. But the teams at the Top, are head and shoulders above those 2nd tier teams. A loss to the middle tier is going to happen time to time...But, when I play against NJ, Boston, and any other bottom feeder...I'm expecting a Win...Actually I'm expecting a Blow out!!!
Those teams at the bottom have nothing! PERIOD! They know it, I'm not insulting them. If they feel insulted, do something about it. Make your team competitive. Yes, I know Boston and Oregon are definitely hockey guys and know their stuff. Oregon had a good playoff run and as an expansion team, took a shot at winning immediately. He built a one and done team and has acquired pieces for the future. Boston, we all know he's got a good core and will be back soon. Cleveland too. I guarantee none of them expect to win against Suffolk, Adirondack, NY, Colorado, Pitt ( What?? Nice!!! ) or Philly (Powder Puffs).
I played back to back games against Boston, and as I predicted, I Lost and Tied. The second worst scoring team in the league scored 6 goals in game 1, and 6 in game 2!!! 12 of his 106 Total Goals came against me, the Best Team in the league at that time. I am the 3rd Highest Scoring team, and the 4th Lowest Goals Against in the league. Tell me how feasible that expectation is??!! Since the "Under the Hood" discussion, I have lost 6 of 15 games, and Tied 1.
It seems, like the Offense is taken a step backwards for ALL teams! But the weird thing is, I feel like MY Offense has taken a hit somehow, but my opponents have not!!! My goalies ALWAYS take a hit, and my opponents do not!!! That's how I feel...and I'm never going to get past that. No worries...because I didn't expect my goalies to be leaders, but I do expect them to be leaders in the Win column, not the SvPtcg or ShutOuts. I manage my goalies after EVERY GAME.
Bottom line for me, lately, the SIM is not realistic!!! Or, as close to realistic as possible, It's taken a step BACKWARDS in my opinion.
Am I pissed...maybe a little, BECAUSE I hate to lose. But, am I having fun here in the league...100%!
I'm winning this seasons Champinship anyway, so I don't give a crap. LOL!
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jan 13, 2023 16:06:19 GMT -5
You’re disappointed because you look at small sample sizes and expect better than average results each and every time which is utterly ridiculous especially when taken on the whole Adirondack and Suffolk have players who are performing well. It’s ridiculous. Matthew Tkachuk is scoring at a goal per game pace but because he doesn’t score in a specific game suddenly the sim is broken lol. Or despite leading your division your shitty goaltender starts playing more to his card over time and gives up a ton of goals, you think it’s because Glenn adjusted a single zones scoring chance (which is probably helping your goalie considering he’s seeing more shots because of your garbage defense).
This is the problem, we actually find legit long-standing issues that we can track and identify over time with cold hard facts and then suddenly the clowns show up to distract and prevent any real changes being made because as long as their leading in the standings everything must be perfect as is right?
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jan 13, 2023 17:31:39 GMT -5
You’re disappointed because you look at small sample sizes and expect better than average results each and every time which is utterly ridiculous especially when taken on the whole Adirondack and Suffolk have players who are performing well. It’s ridiculous. Matthew Tkachuk is scoring at a goal per game pace but because he doesn’t score in a specific game suddenly the sim is broken lol. Or despite leading your division your shitty goaltender starts playing more to his card over time and gives up a ton of goals, you think it’s because Glenn adjusted a single zones scoring chance (which is probably helping your goalie considering he’s seeing more shots because of your garbage defense). This is the problem, we actually find legit long-standing issues that we can track and identify over time with cold hard facts and then suddenly the clowns show up to distract and prevent any real changes being made because as long as their leading in the standings everything must be perfect as is right? LOL! You're angry again! Funny, you were complaining two weeks ago about Shit-stirkin and calling Samsanov a 3rd string goalie. Funny. Well, maybe your goalie isn't performing so well because the "whole" of your team doesn't stand up as a GOOD team. You're expecting great results because you have a GREAT goaltending card. I don't have time to "nerd out" on the enormity of numeric codes or stats, apparently like you. I did my share of presenting stats back in the day here in the GHL and it got me nowhere! Honestly, I don't need to nerd out anyway. It's plain to see there's an issue. You can call it out, but Joe and I are not allowed! That's a problem! Just settle down. Glenn will tell us if and when there any issues. In the meantime, I'll just sit on my rocking chair with my quilted blanket covering my compression socked legs sipping my tea and dunking my shortbread cookies. Chill brother, Chill... PS...I know I don't have a Super Star Goalie. But, I do have two Championships! Guess what! I've never had a super star goaltender. They're too tempermental and they take up too much cap space. Shhh, that's a secret! |
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jan 13, 2023 18:09:54 GMT -5
Clowns 🤡 and cunts listen up I run many leagues football baseball big $$$$ leagues and if I ever changed a rule or how things were done after the league was started guys wouldn’t come back the next year , This is not an indictment on you Glenn put more on the fact that guys are asking you to change things and do things differently and yes is it for the betterment of the league….…. OK I’m all for it but you can’t do it once the season is already on the way and almost halfway over. I’m sorry that is a no-fly zone. And to answer a question except for when I play Chris I expect to win every game and facing teams at the bottom I expect to blow them out yes!!!!…. Funny when I was at the bottom and built my team to where it is now I didn’t bitch getting blown out but here we are kind of like art imitating reality
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jan 13, 2023 18:18:25 GMT -5
Btw for those who don’t know I run Montreal the last 1 1/2 yrs and they have made the playoffs last yr and this yr what I thought was a better team is around 500 … since the owner went MIA …. Anytime I play then with my team I make sure Swaymen is in net I don’t want any team saying I’m getting a free win with that said … yes my integrity is 1000% in tact no negotiation there … I’m all for making the league better but not during the season so some team with the greatest goalie card of all time has a chance at a cup that’s been won twice by Chris once by me ….
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jan 13, 2023 19:25:15 GMT -5
You're mad about changes mid season, cool I don't care that's Glenn's call.
This entire thing started by bitching about the results of 1 game and cries that Glenn overtightened the sim without even taking into account ANYTHING else.
Suffolk in his original comment pissed about a 5-2 loss to St. Paul. He failed to mention that since the change Glenn made his team scored 9,8,4,6 in the prior games. Literally averaging 5.6 goals per game (Including the game he bitched about) since the change that fucked you guys soooo hard. You know who else averages 5.6 goals per game this season? Nobody because that is a fucking insane number.
Since the change you are averaging 4.1 goals which is down a bit for you but could just be small sample size. What you never mention in all of you rants is that when you lose to these below average teams which players were on the ice for those goals. Rosen and Stecher (both garbage with a 4 and 5 stamina) were -2. Vs. Hershey you played Rosen 22 minutes with a 4 stamina (he was -4). Goligoski plays 25 a night with a 6 stamina. You've got a D with no stamina and a fringe starting goalie but still score over 4 a night and bitch about losing single games. You are 4-3 with 2 terrible losses flip one of those around maybe with better shift management and you're 5-2 looking right on average with how your team has performed so far. 5-2 would actually be higher than your current win %.
It's just funny to me when people have 0 comprehension of the change but know 100% it has to be fucking their team. Don't get me wrong it could be hurting both your teams but fuck guys you can't look at 1 game in a vacuum.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jan 13, 2023 20:27:36 GMT -5
Boys, there have been zero changes made this year because of people bitching and moaning about a change needing to be made.
As a recap, during the off season I noted that too many shots were not hitting the net especially from high scoring areas. I made some tweaks to the tables and we kicked off the season. Our shots attempted to shots on goal are very much in line with what we see in the NHL now (Thanks Eric for pointing me to the NHL stats back then to check against). After 49 games or so this year there was a post about the higher scoring and I had commented that I had noted the same and was going to adjust the shot result table accordingly (which I did). The last change was made for zone 11 which I found when I was reviewing the new detailed shot data.
I still think scoring is a bit too high but we will wait for a larger sample size to make a determination if that is the case. If so, we have all of the super shots data that I are now accumulating to identify exactly where and what needs to be adjusted to fix it.
As I stated before, all the changes discussed above affected all teams.
Some of the logic in this thread suggests the table modifications to lower the scoring has somehow caused more goals to be scored against you in one particular game truly baffles me.
Dane is correct, nothing, absolutely nothing can proven or dis-proven by looking at the results of one game. If so, the Russians would say the Olympic sim was rigged in Lake Placid back in February of 1980.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jan 13, 2023 22:45:03 GMT -5
Yeah ok, I never said the results of ONE GAME were a problem. That was Dane and Jon misquoting me. I said, MANY games. I literally said, over the past 15 games. A small sample size, but a sample size nonetheless.
But, yeah, I'm ok. I think the SIM is very realistic. 70 Shots last game, took another 74 tonight against Toronto. Pretty realistic. Dane? Jon? You good with that?
I'm sure if Demko or Stolarz faced 70 shots I would have lost 20-2 !!!
Youngsters these days...they're all hopped up on sweets.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Jan 14, 2023 8:53:37 GMT -5
Dane …the two games vs Hershey don’t even bother me they have my number or I don’t match up well vs them whatever it may be ….. it does bother me when Gorgy who has a 49-47 card , stands on his head I out shoot Oregon 27-14 in the second period alone and they score 4 in 4 min …. A team that hasn’t cracked 100 goals …. I score 2 for the game on 57 shots on goal ,30 of those shots are from 70-87% shooters and like Chris when does my goalie with a better card then Gorgy stand on his head when does my 3rd pair def play like Bobby Orr or Brian Leetch…. Answer ….Never because that does happen for Chris or myself
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jan 14, 2023 9:46:06 GMT -5
Dane …the two games vs Hershey don’t even bother me they have my number or I don’t match up well vs them whatever it may be ….. it does bother me when Gorgy who has a 49-47 card , stands on his head I out shoot Oregon 27-14 in the second period alone and they score 4 in 4 min …. A team that hasn’t cracked 100 goals …. I score 2 for the game on 57 shots on goal ,30 of those shots are from 70-87% shooters and like Chris when does my goalie with a better card then Gorgy stand on his head when does my 3rd pair def play like Bobby Orr or Brian Leetch…. Answer ….Never because that does happen for Chris or myself "When does my goalie with a better card that Gorgy stand on his head" This is the main issue, you both think your goalies should be better than goalies who have ONE stellar game against you. I'd say above .925 you could say the goalie stood on his head. Demko - .964,.958,.950,.929,.964,.968,.946,.962 Stolarz - 1.000,.960,.944,.969,.941,.923,.925,.944,1.000 Chris's goalies have played lights out in 17 games this season Reimer - .939 Varlamov - .935,.973,.976,.968,.944,.925,.964,.933,.925 Your goalies played lights out in 10 games this season (Chris has better goalies and D than you) Georgiev - .965,.936,.943 Vejmelka - .952,.935,.972,.974,.929,.932,.938 Oregon goalies played lights out in 10 games this season (Worse goalies but better D than you) and also only won 4 of them due to shot volume Andersen - .945,.972,.929,.971,1.000,.945,.945,.972,1.000 Lehner - .964,.973,.933,.947 My goalies played lights out in 13 games this season (I have much better D and goalies than you) NY Goalies Campbell - .935,.960,.951,.941,1.000,.959,1.000,.929,.943,.971,.947,1.000,.966,1.000,.966,1.000,1.000 Comrie - 1.000,.967,.960,.942,.927,.963,.939,.933 Best team in the league goalies stood on head for whopping 25 times (Incredible D and above average goalies) You ask when you goalies will play lights out? I think they are playing consistent to their card when coupled with the D in front of them. Every year it's complaints after one game normally by you and Chris (also Jon) about how it's broken when you both are leading league in multiple categories. Sorry for your luck that Oregon had his one of 10 lights out performances against you, really its a bummer but this happens at least weekly in the NHL if not more often. Also sorry the sim picked on you Chris against St. Paul, that is also a bummer. www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=nhl+most+saves+in+one+game+2022-23#:~:text=Anton%20Forsberg%20has%20the%20most,the%20Panthers%20on%20October%2029. Just in case you wanted to look at some of the best goalie performances this year. Carter Hart and his average ass (sorry flyer fans) has already stolen 2 this year on high volume shots like Oregon faced. I know none of this will mean anything and the next 5-2 loss you guys have you will come right back here and say it's broken but at least I tried. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jan 14, 2023 9:55:11 GMT -5
It's also obvious that scoring and shooting are too high and I believe that is what is being worked on. Tweaking that should have little to no effect on the save percentages above. Just instead of letting in 5 on 50 shots goalies will be letting in 4 on 40 shots. Change effects everyone equally and I believe is only meant to bring shots and goals more in line with NHL.
As Chris pointed out 8 goals on 74 shots is unrealistic. If we could get that game from 8-5 to 6-3 it would become much more realistic, Chris still has all of the exact same advantages just less scoring.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jan 14, 2023 10:38:58 GMT -5
It's also obvious that scoring and shooting are too high and I believe that is what is being worked on. Tweaking that should have little to no effect on the save percentages above. Just instead of letting in 5 on 50 shots goalies will be letting in 4 on 40 shots. Change effects everyone equally and I believe is only meant to bring shots and goals more in line with NHL. As Chris pointed out 8 goals on 74 shots is unrealistic. If we could get that game from 8-5 to 6-3 it would become much more realistic, Chris still has all of the exact same advantages just less scoring. Again, you're putting words in my mouth! I didn't say scoring 8 goals on 74 shots was unrealistic.I said, "TAKING" 70 shots in one game and then the next game take 74 shots was unrealistic. Math is your strong skill. Reading comprehension, not so much. Maybe, it's my NY accent. It's interesting, that you want realism, but your overlooking that Suffolk mustered up 144 shots in last two games. In the last game, Suffolk peppered Markstrom with 74 shots, and Toronto peppered Stolarz with 49. Thats 133 Shots on goal, NOT including the blocked shots or shots wide!!! IS THIS REALISTIC? C'mon Man!
What I am saying is "I feel my team is better than a lot of GHL teams, YES. But, should I be putting up such numbers for Shots on Goal? IDK! But, IFFF I am putting up those numbers, why aren't more going in the net when the majority of those shots are being taken by guys with greater percentages to score? If other guys around the GHL are scoring with less a "SAMPLE SIZE" and cards which are NOT as good as perhaps a Tkachuk or Matthews, why is that? I ask that question because I would genuinely like to know if there is something in the SIM I am missing. BEEEECAUSE, then I will seek those type of player cards out for the future. Reading is fun. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jan 14, 2023 11:03:34 GMT -5
By the way Dano...You are ONLY pointing out the Goalie and Defense aspects of the SIM. You're leaving out an integral part of the overall game...That's puck control, Offense.
Many of the GHL teams do not have both ends of the ice covered, some have neither. For example, NJ ( sorry to pick on Scott ) is a weak team. The standings support that statement. Boston, another weak team ( physically dominant ). Oregon, weak. Chicago, Moncton, Cleveland, etc...
We aren't playing Defenses and Goalies against Defense and Goalies.
I AGREE WITH YOU......The sim is allowing too many shots. I just HATE, that's my fucking opinion and I'm entitled to it, Losing to inferior teams!!!!! ESPECIALLY when it's unrealistic!!!!! Get off your fucking horse!
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jan 14, 2023 11:57:56 GMT -5
It's also obvious that scoring and shooting are too high and I believe that is what is being worked on. Tweaking that should have little to no effect on the save percentages above. Just instead of letting in 5 on 50 shots goalies will be letting in 4 on 40 shots. Change effects everyone equally and I believe is only meant to bring shots and goals more in line with NHL. As Chris pointed out 8 goals on 74 shots is unrealistic. If we could get that game from 8-5 to 6-3 it would become much more realistic, Chris still has all of the exact same advantages just less scoring. Again, you're putting words in my mouth! I didn't say scoring 8 goals on 74 shots was unrealistic.I said, "TAKING" 70 shots in one game and then the next game take 74 shots was unrealistic. Math is your strong skill. Reading comprehension, not so much. Maybe, it's my NY accent. It's interesting, that you want realism, but your overlooking that Suffolk mustered up 144 shots in last two games. In the last game, Suffolk peppered Markstrom with 74 shots, and Toronto peppered Stolarz with 49. Thats 133 Shots on goal, NOT including the blocked shots or shots wide!!! IS THIS REALISTIC? C'mon Man!
What I am saying is "I feel my team is better than a lot of GHL teams, YES. But, should I be putting up such numbers for Shots on Goal? IDK! But, IFFF I am putting up those numbers, why aren't more going in the net when the majority of those shots are being taken by guys with greater percentages to score? If other guys around the GHL are scoring with less a "SAMPLE SIZE" and cards which are NOT as good as perhaps a Tkachuk or Matthews, why is that? I ask that question because I would genuinely like to know if there is something in the SIM I am missing. BEEEECAUSE, then I will seek those type of player cards out for the future. Reading is fun. The one thing I’ll say is that you can’t say there’s a much bigger disparity between top teams and bottom teams in this league compared to the NHL and then expect it to be realistic/relative to the NHL. That’s not saying that shots and goals are too high because they are, but I’m sure some of those high shots are team disparity related, and probably the amount of “shooters” you have on your team. |
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jan 14, 2023 12:10:00 GMT -5
By the way Dano...You are ONLY pointing out the Goalie and Defense aspects of the SIM. You're leaving out an integral part of the overall game...That's puck control, Offense. Many of the GHL teams do not have both ends of the ice covered, some have neither. For example, NJ ( sorry to pick on Scott ) is a weak team. The standings support that statement. Boston, another weak team ( physically dominant ). Oregon, weak. Chicago, Moncton, Cleveland, etc... We aren't playing Defenses and Goalies against Defense and Goalies. I AGREE WITH YOU......The sim is allowing too many shots. I just HATE, that's my fucking opinion and I'm entitled to it, Losing to inferior teams!!!!! ESPECIALLY when it's unrealistic!!!!! Get off your fucking horse! Toronto (NHL) has lost to Arizona (twice), sharks, ducks, habs. The flyers have beat the devils (twice), lightning, avs, kings. Chicago has beaten the avs, kings, rangers, kraken. It happens. |
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