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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 24, 2011 17:32:07 GMT -5
Chris - That is true, but it does also concern Dane's point. I think there is a difference if a player is called up just because the owner wants to and if a player is called up because someone is hurt.
I think if an owner calls up a player just because they want to, even for just a game, the next season that player needs to be paid at least 500k or let go. I can understand someone wanting to try a player out for a few games before increasing it for the current season, but the season after I think their contract should be bumped up. Even if they are back down in the minors.
As far as injuries... I don't think a person should be penalized for a player getting hurt, even if it means calling up a minor leaguer for the rest of the season. The only stipulation I see with this is, if the owner has a player they can call up for that position making more than 500k, they need to. Otherwise the minor leaguer should be considered just a normal call-up.
The reason I brought up the whole thing with players under 500k is because some owners probably wouldn't call up certain people if they knew they would have to worry about other owners going after them. But it seems like that situation is pretty much figured out now, unless something changed since those posts.
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 24, 2011 17:33:37 GMT -5
Phil, that would be wayyyy too complicated.
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 24, 2011 19:17:10 GMT -5
My post came right from the thread where this decision was made. Please go back and read the highlighted section which answers these questions. It is simply all about managing your rosters. All teams were given the opportunity to field 25 man rosters which gives you 5 extra skaters to use in case of injury. You also may call up any player on your minor league team who is under contract (makes 500k or more). If you didn't sign any minor league deals like this, shame on you GM, this was posted prior to signing your contracts.
Please let me know if I'm wrong here but I was under the impression that this was all hashed out. Maybe we need to look at publishing an FHL rule book on this board so these types of things all have reference points.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 24, 2011 19:27:51 GMT -5
I was under this impression too as I had signed multiple D and Forwards to 500k+ contracts in the event of catastrophic injuries.
I was also under the impression players under 500k are the property of their team until the yearly raises or a call-up raises the salary to 500k at which time an initial FHL contract and years are determined, at the end of which the player is an RFA for their current team.
I just wanted to make sure i read and understood the rules properly.
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 24, 2011 19:49:20 GMT -5
Exactly right Dane, looks like you are right on the money with this, hope everyone else is too.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 24, 2011 19:49:54 GMT -5
I was under this impression too as I had signed multiple D and Forwards to 500k+ contracts in the event of catastrophic injuries. I was also under the impression players under 500k are the property of their team until the yearly raises or a call-up raises the salary to 500k at which time an initial FHL contract and years are determined, at the end of which the player is an RFA for their current team. I just wanted to make sure i read and understood the rules properly. This ^^ was my understanding too... |
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 24, 2011 20:15:58 GMT -5
Accidently used a 250k player tonight for Ottawa (oops), and after all my preaching.  |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 24, 2011 21:24:15 GMT -5
My post came right from the thread where this decision was made. Please go back and read the highlighted section which answers these questions. It is simply all about managing your rosters. All teams were given the opportunity to field 25 man rosters which gives you 5 extra skaters to use in case of injury. You also may call up any player on your minor league team who is under contract (makes 500k or more). If you didn't sign any minor league deals like this, shame on you GM, this was posted prior to signing your contracts. Please let me know if I'm wrong here but I was under the impression that this was all hashed out. Maybe we need to look at publishing an FHL rule book on this board so these types of things all have reference points. No Kidding! I do manage my roster..however, you can plan all you want...no one knows when the injury bug will hit your club Scotty... Just so happens, I had made a trade and picked up an extra Dman with that exact thought in mind....BUTTTTTTT 2 Dmen got injured in the first week..... NO GM would have a BENCH full of Dmen, nor would it be full of Forwards. I had/have a nice mix on my bench. BUTTTT, JUST SO YOU KNOW...WHATEVER THE FHL DECIDES TO DO.......IS FINE WITH ME......LETS JUST SEE IT IN WRITING AND AGREED TO!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 24, 2011 21:30:48 GMT -5
PS....If I had determined this Rule as you are explaining it...I would have disagreed with you right off the bat. This isnt how it is done in the NHL. If a player gets a sip of coffee in the NHL, his Bonus Monies or Contract doesnt kick in until he plays in "10 NHL Games".
Thats how NHL teams circumvent the players agreement.
AHL salaries are minimum salaries, unless you have a situation like Wade Redden.
I really think it is rediculous to force a GM or Team to sign players to a minor league at $500K when they can sign players for less to their minors. So, that makes no sense to me.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 24, 2011 21:35:20 GMT -5
I was under this impression too as I had signed multiple D and Forwards to 500k+ contracts in the event of catastrophic injuries. I was also under the impression players under 500k are the property of their team until the yearly raises or a call-up raises the salary to 500k at which time an initial FHL contract and years are determined, at the end of which the player is an RFA for their current team. I just wanted to make sure i read and understood the rules properly. This ^^ was my understanding too... I dont recall this type of agreement, or even a mention of this....this makes no sense to me at all. Why would I sign a guy(s) to larger contracts if I dont need to? A simple call up is all that is necessary. We need clarification of this process and policy. I am in no mood to discuss things rationally right now tho....Suffolk just dropped to games in a row.....One because of horrific officiating on our home ice and the last to a sub par team who we had dominated in every facet of the game ( goaltending the exception---duh ) but we continue to get no respect!!!!! |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 24, 2011 22:36:23 GMT -5
My post came right from the thread where this decision was made. Please go back and read the highlighted section which answers these questions. It is simply all about managing your rosters. All teams were given the opportunity to field 25 man rosters which gives you 5 extra skaters to use in case of injury. You also may call up any player on your minor league team who is under contract (makes 500k or more). If you didn't sign any minor league deals like this, shame on you GM, this was posted prior to signing your contracts. Please let me know if I'm wrong here but I was under the impression that this was all hashed out. Maybe we need to look at publishing an FHL rule book on this board so these types of things all have reference points. No Kidding! I do manage my roster..however, you can plan all you want...no one knows when the injury bug will hit your club Scotty... Just so happens, I had made a trade and picked up an extra Dman with that exact thought in mind....BUTTTTTTT 2 Dmen got injured in the first week..... NO GM would have a BENCH full of Dmen, nor would it be full of Forwards. I had/have a nice mix on my bench. BUTTTT, JUST SO YOU KNOW...WHATEVER THE FHL DECIDES TO DO.......IS FINE WITH ME......LETS JUST SEE IT IN WRITING AND AGREED TO!!!!!!!! I have no problem with a 10 game rule. But you do seem to have more than enough defenseman signed to 500k plus contracts to cover your injuries. I count 10 total and on your minor team alone you have Brendan Smith Dmitry Orlov Matt Smaby(under 500k due to savings I believe) |
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 24, 2011 22:46:05 GMT -5
I showed it to you in writing, it was an ongoing discussion before Glenn posted the thread and the reason you sign players for 500k is so you have call ups. I must have missed all ten of your injuries. Let's see 5 healthy scratches that can be carried plus 5 draft picks all on ELC's to use in case of emergencies. Seems someone is once again trying to get something for nothing.
Now that that's said, I do agree with one thing you said. If we would like to amend the policy set forth to incorporate a ten game rule before the player is eligible to become a RFA the following year, I think that would be supported, however, Call-ups on minor league contracts should make a league minimum if used in the bigs and the team must have available salary to support such a call up
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 25, 2011 7:40:12 GMT -5
I showed it to you in writing, it was an ongoing discussion before Glenn posted the thread and the reason you sign players for 500k is so you have call ups. I must have missed all ten of your injuries. Let's see 5 healthy scratches that can be carried plus 5 draft picks all on ELC's to use in case of emergencies. Seems someone is once again trying to get something for nothing. Now that that's said, I do agree with one thing you said. If we would like to amend the policy set forth to incorporate a ten game rule before the player is eligible to become a RFA the following year, I think that would be supported, however, Call-ups on minor league contracts should make a league minimum if used in the bigs and the team must have available salary to support such a call up Boys. We will get the details on this hammered out. Maybe it is high time for another TS2 meeting. When it is all said and done, the final solution needs to balance fairness and ease of application/administration. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 25, 2011 7:43:48 GMT -5
No Kidding! I do manage my roster..however, you can plan all you want...no one knows when the injury bug will hit your club Scotty... Just so happens, I had made a trade and picked up an extra Dman with that exact thought in mind....BUTTTTTTT 2 Dmen got injured in the first week..... NO GM would have a BENCH full of Dmen, nor would it be full of Forwards. I had/have a nice mix on my bench. BUTTTT, JUST SO YOU KNOW...WHATEVER THE FHL DECIDES TO DO.......IS FINE WITH ME......LETS JUST SEE IT IN WRITING AND AGREED TO!!!!!!!! I have no problem with a 10 game rule. But you do seem to have more than enough defenseman signed to 500k plus contracts to cover your injuries. I count 10 total and on your minor team alone you have Brendan Smith Dmitry Orlov Matt Smaby(under 500k due to savings I believe) The issue is that the engine does not currently look at salaries when digging into the minor league team. It takes the best available player by position. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 25, 2011 9:11:07 GMT -5
So if that's the case, it should make no difference who is used from the minors by a gm for call-ups, their cards certainly won't give a team any advantage.
The issue still lies with what happens when a player explodes off a contract under 500k and his 150% raise keeps him under 500k. I am not for them being opened up to fa bidding so is the answer allowing them to play possibly 2 seasons at extreme value to the owner who signed them?
I will not be available for ts meeting this week unless it's held after 9pm. I think everyone knows my stance and I will support whatever dicision is made, as it stands now, I am thinking maybe these players being opened up to bidding may be fairest to individual salary but on the other hand, letting them play at lower salaries rewards the gm for signing a player who breaks out.
Some very good points were brought up over the course of this thread and I'm sure we will get this resolved in a manner which best supports our great league.
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