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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 25, 2011 16:04:04 GMT -5
Pardon my ignorance folks....but apparently there was a decision regarding who COULD and who COULDNT be used as a Call Up for the 2011-12 FHL Season during the summer months that I apparently havent seen or read....
Regardless, I am still UNAWARE of the Policy in Place, and because of this misunderstanding, I MAY or MAY NOT have just screwed up...AGAIN, unaware to me that I may have done so...there is no need to be getting all over me like Im circumventing the FHL and SCOTTS RULES OF FHL DIPLOMACY ( which is an oxymoron of course ). Apparently, I missed Scotts appointment to Deputy Commissioner of the FHL. My bad!
Just tell me what the final decision is, and I will gladly abide.
If I have made an error, It was completely by mistake as I thought I was clearly able to bring up whomever I wanted to bring up in "my particular scenario regarding the injuries".
Furthermore, Smaby was recalled up to the BIG club last week after game 2 or so, I even posted it on the forum website just to add some color since there was little fanfare being bantied about much to my surprise, being it opening weekend in the FHL. And after I did post it up...there were several views and NO POSTS stating that I was in NON COMPLIANCE with FHL Policy and Procedure.
PS....In case anyone feels as tho Suffolk manipulated the system, using a Superstar UFA at a bargain price...Please get your fact finding monacle cleaned.......
Urbom- Defense- 10-17-16
Used him for One Game, he was a Minus 1...The REASON SUFFOLK chose him to play in this game, which AGAIN, I thought I was allowed to use ANYONE I wanted from my minor League.....THE REASON HE WAS CHOSEN: Was because he had the BEST FORTITUDE RATING ( 9 ) and there was less of a chance of sustaining yet ANOTHER INJURY. SIMPLY PUT! He is certainly not a superstar stud...but a capable young man nonetheless.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 25, 2011 16:44:25 GMT -5
I was under this impression too as I had signed multiple D and Forwards to 500k+ contracts in the event of catastrophic injuries. I was also under the impression players under 500k are the property of their team until the yearly raises or a call-up raises the salary to 500k at which time an initial FHL contract and years are determined, at the end of which the player is an RFA for their current team. I just wanted to make sure i read and understood the rules properly. This ^^ was my understanding too... This wasnt my understanding at all! Honestly fellas! If you look at my entire Draft and UFA/RFA process it will read as follows: 1-I only signed 3 UFA's ( Pogge, Powe and Brent ) 2-I only resigned Auld ( RFA ) 3-ALL of my Minor League Contracts which are above 500K are DRAFT PICKS. Even if I were aware of such a policy, I dont think I would have drafted differently....BUT I surely would have signed DIFFERENTLY. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 25, 2011 17:26:34 GMT -5
I don't think anyone believes you gained an advantage. I also don't think anyone is thinking of penalizing for a misunderstanding on a rule that hasn't even been completely decided on yet. So no need to get defensive. However Scott did post and highlight the closest thing we have to a rule on the subject which when interpreted backs up our understandings, and to claim you never seen or read that post is just wrong as you quoted exactly what scott highlighted in the following thread gtgfhl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=freeagency&action=display&thread=884&page=4Also with Smaby wasn't he signed to an FHL contract last year with league min 500k I believe, and it was his cap savings due contract length that took him below 500k which is why my initial question was not posed earlier I personally like how the rule now is proposed however I feel that we could amend what we had to allow for a min # of games a minor leaguer under the FHL salary plays before they get the bump to league min...Even IF a minor leaguers card explodes the competitive advantage of them playing in 9 games and being sent back down is not that great and more closely mirrors the NHL. Mark Scheifele and for flyers fans maybe Sean Couturier are just some examples of this |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 25, 2011 18:22:11 GMT -5
I don't think anyone believes you gained an advantage. I also don't think anyone is thinking of penalizing for a misunderstanding on a rule that hasn't even been completely decided on yet. So no need to get defensive. However Scott did post and highlight the closest thing we have to a rule on the subject which when interpreted backs up our understandings, and to claim you never seen or read that post is just wrong as you quoted exactly what scott highlighted in the following thread gtgfhl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=freeagency&action=display&thread=884&page=4Also with Smaby wasn't he signed to an FHL contract last year with league min 500k I believe, and it was his cap savings due contract length that took him below 500k which is why my initial question was not posed earlier I personally like how the rule now is proposed however I feel that we could amend what we had to allow for a min # of games a minor leaguer under the FHL salary plays before they get the bump to league min...Even IF a minor leaguers card explodes the competitive advantage of them playing in 9 games and being sent back down is not that great and more closely mirrors the NHL. Mark Scheifele and for flyers fans maybe Sean Couturier are just some examples of this Dane- with regards to the link you supplied ( page 4 ) my reply was in regards to the verbiage, not to the policy. At that point there was merely a "proposed" policy, not an implemented one. The 2nd post of mine on the same page rebutts/rehashes Glenns assertion of my misunderstanding....which I waas grammatically correct and Glen was not ( lol )... My next post rebutting Ian wasnt quite replied to nor was it discarded...WHICH is precisely why I am still misunderstanding what the REAL FHL Policy is in regards to this matter. Lastly, in reading Scotts Recent Post's, it is very hard for me NOT to assume there is a bit of anymosity written between the lines directed at myself/Suffolk. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 25, 2011 19:47:30 GMT -5
In regards to your rebuttle to Ian
"well, that is exactly what happens in the real world! A guy is drafted or signed to an ELC ( Entry Level Contract ), he has a wonderful camp, sticks on with the big club for the 10 games allowed....and then whammo...he's here for good.
Whats wrong with that? Its not as if your going to find a team full of 100K players that is starting for an FHL Club....BUT, If it did happen...It would be a pretty damn good drafting/scouting job by you/GM!!!!"
The problem with this is that the entry level contract in the NHL is a two way (Something the FHL does not have and should not need). I was just reading an article on Adam Larsson of the devils and his ahl salary is 70,000 but he is due 925,000 at the nhl level. So if you call up your minor league player and he sticks with the club he is given a raise to at very least league minimum. Even in emergency call-ups the NHL salary is prorated to account for the number of games played.
If i am not mistaken it had been decided that the league minimum of the FHL is 500k I don't think anyone is debating that. So I did not think it was a question that we could start anyone with a <500k contract for any extended period of time.(Unless under 500k due to cap savings).
Again I have no problem if we want to add a rule allowing players under league min to play a certain number of games in emergency call up situations. It will give no advantage (at least this year) as most minor league players have terrible cards plus Glenn would not have to change the engine to take salary into account when filling empty roster spots.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 25, 2011 20:05:43 GMT -5
In regards to your rebuttle to Ian "well, that is exactly what happens in the real world! A guy is drafted or signed to an ELC ( Entry Level Contract ), he has a wonderful camp, sticks on with the big club for the 10 games allowed....and then whammo...he's here for good. Whats wrong with that? Its not as if your going to find a team full of 100K players that is starting for an FHL Club....BUT, If it did happen...It would be a pretty damn good drafting/scouting job by you/GM!!!!" The problem with this is that the entry level contract in the NHL is a two way (Something the FHL does not have and should not need). I was just reading an article on Adam Larsson of the devils and his ahl salary is 70,000 but he is due 925,000 at the nhl level. So if you call up your minor league player and he sticks with the club he is given a raise to at very least league minimum. Even in emergency call-ups the NHL salary is prorated to account for the number of games played. If i am not mistaken it had been decided that the league minimum of the FHL is 500k I don't think anyone is debating that. So I did not think it was a question that we could start anyone with a <500k contract for any extended period of time.(Unless under 500k due in cap savings). Again I have no problem if we want to add a rule allowing players under league min to play a certain number of games in emergency call up situations. It will give no advantage (at least this year) as most minor league players have terrible cards plus Glenn would not have to change the engine to take salary into account when filling empty roster spots.
Your ex. with Larsson is exactly what I said we should do..."If the player plays more than 10 ( or 15 ) games, and he was previously in your minors or was just drafted and is making below the FHL minimum---then he will now need to make the MINIMUM of $500,000 and remain with your big club."The Difficulty/Differences with the FHL to NHL: 1- We do not have an ELC Policy....and we shouldnt. 2- We do not have a Waivers Policy...and we shouldnt. But, we do have injuries, and we have a minor league affiliate to fill in the voids if our bench cannot. How are we going to allow teams to have "Call Ups" for Injury Needs is what needs to be clarified....this is all that needs to be ironed out, IMO...Personally, I dont agree with ONLY being able to call up players who are currently signed to 500K contracts in the minors. The reason is, this dictates how much money a GM HAS to spend. No one should dictate that a GM spend "X" amount of monies...The Market determines the Value of Players, as it always does. Again, I feel like you are all ganging up on me here, but I really didnt understand as you guys all did. Im not trying to say anyone is an idiot or anything like that...but just ASKING for clarification to YOUR original post regarding my call ups of Smaby and Urbom....Really, tho---whatever the final outcome is...its totally fine with me....I just want to KNOW what IT IS.  |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 25, 2011 20:34:47 GMT -5
Im sorry I didn't explain myself as well as I could have in my last post.
What is wrong with that is that while the minor leaguers are playing in those initial 10 games the minor league cap hit is not the cap hit imposed on the nhl team...when Larsson is called up the hit his NHL team takes to roster him is 925,000 not 70,000 doesn't matter if he plays 1 or 82 games his team will never have a cap hit for him below league minimum with him on the roster.
The reason I was under the impression we were not allowed to use players with contracts under 500k is because we would have to adjust their cap hit to match league min for them to play in the bigs with no way of adjusting it back down since we have no 2 way contracts
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 25, 2011 20:54:36 GMT -5
Pardon my ignorance folks....but apparently there was a decision regarding who COULD and who COULDNT be used as a Call Up for the 2011-12 FHL Season during the summer months that I apparently havent seen or read.... Regardless, I am still UNAWARE of the Policy in Place, and because of this misunderstanding, I MAY or MAY NOT have just screwed up...AGAIN, unaware to me that I may have done so...there is no need to be getting all over me like Im circumventing the FHL and SCOTTS RULES OF FHL DIPLOMACY ( which is an oxymoron of course ). Apparently, I missed Scotts appointment to Deputy Commissioner of the FHL. My bad! Just tell me what the final decision is, and I will gladly abide. If I have made an error, It was completely by mistake as I thought I was clearly able to bring up whomever I wanted to bring up in "my particular scenario regarding the injuries". Furthermore, Smaby was recalled up to the BIG club last week after game 2 or so, I even posted it on the forum website just to add some color since there was little fanfare being bantied about much to my surprise, being it opening weekend in the FHL. And after I did post it up...there were several views and NO POSTS stating that I was in NON COMPLIANCE with FHL Policy and Procedure. PS....In case anyone feels as tho Suffolk manipulated the system, using a Superstar UFA at a bargain price...Please get your fact finding monacle cleaned....... Urbom- Defense- 10-17-16 Used him for One Game, he was a Minus 1...The REASON SUFFOLK chose him to play in this game, which AGAIN, I thought I was allowed to use ANYONE I wanted from my minor League.....THE REASON HE WAS CHOSEN: Was because he had the BEST FORTITUDE RATING ( 9 ) and there was less of a chance of sustaining yet ANOTHER INJURY. SIMPLY PUT! He is certainly not a superstar stud...but a capable young man nonetheless. I must have missed that appointment also, very prestigious title though and I'm honored. I think the confusion comes in the question at hand because the question isn't who can be called up and who can't. The question is what happens to the players salary when he is used on the big club. I do not think an advantage is gained by you calling up the players in question Chris nor did I refer to them as superstars. What I was referring to is this: A manager signs a player to 100k and he explodes to a usable FHL card the following season. Let's say this season his card reads 12-10-11 and then he plays in the NHL all year and next years FHL card reads 42-17-23. Should this player make 150k? How is this to be resolved? This is what I was trying to point out because it goes hand in hand with the problem that has arisen with this call-up issue. I second Glenn's notion that a ts2 meeting be held in the foreseeable future to resolve this issue and put to rest Chris's fear that he was overlooked when the league handed out positions on the Board of Governors. |
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 25, 2011 20:57:15 GMT -5
I could have signed 20 extra guys and at this rate I still wouldn't have enough. Three guys out already... what a joke
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 25, 2011 21:07:14 GMT -5
To Scott: It appears the Appointment was self proclaimed! To Quote You: "A manager signs a player to 100k and he explodes to a usable FHL card the following season. Let's say this season his card reads 12-10-11 and then he plays in the NHL all year and next years FHL card reads 42-17-23. Should this player make 150k? How is this to be resolved? This is what I was trying to point out because it goes hand in hand with the problem that has arisen with this call-up issue." ***This is dependent upon a GM's strategy...either you go the route of signing Free Agents and other GM's RFA's, or you put the time in and do research of prospects. I choose NOT to pry other teams players and look for diamonds in the rough....I feel more special  when I discover a player and he actually pans out.*** I believe You, Dane, Ian, Phil, Glen, Myself and all the other cohorts have ALL already stated....Any player in the FHL ( which would mean a Regular Player on the Big Club Roster )...THIS players contract would have to be a "Minimum of 500K".... Therefore, if he was earning a 150K salary, he then be bumped to 500K. To go a step further, I would suggest, IF/WHEN this scenario does arise ( and it will ), that the player be given a ONE YEAR 500K salary and then become an RFA the year after. Just a thought. BUT, to PENALIZE a Gm for drafting/signing Prospects that he is predicting will be future NHL/FHL players ( which is in effect what you are proposing ) is ludicrous. Explanation: I hope every single one of the players I have rostered ( Bigs and Minors ) pans out to have phenomenal FHL cards...what a wonderful dilemma.. Realization: Its safe to assume, the "Explanation" will not happen...not for a few years anyhow. Half of my Monor league roster will be free agents after this year, as will yours and others......Or at least 5 Postions will need to be cleared to make room for New Draft Picks....and then if you desire, UFA's and RFA's. But, hey...Im just looking at the big picture, a little too far ahead for some..... |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 25, 2011 21:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 25, 2011 21:26:32 GMT -5
You are right Phil, I rescind my "self proclaimed appointment as Deputy Commissioner of the FHL" and I will wait until this issue is resolved by the league authority. Fantasy Hockey is not worth two grown men arguing over to me. I love this league but I already know both how big my cock is and how much I can bench press.  To clear this post up, that was an apology Chris. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 25, 2011 21:33:46 GMT -5
You are right Phil, I rescind my "self proclaimed appointment as Deputy Commissioner of the FHL" and I will wait until this issue is resolved by the league authority. Fantasy Hockey is not worth two grown men arguing over to me. I love this league but I already know both how big my cock is and how much I can bench press. To clear this post up, that was an apology Chris. Well, Im appalled  ...Ceiling Mirrors can be awfully deceptive!  |
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 25, 2011 21:37:40 GMT -5
No, actually Chris, I think you are bang on. I am thinking it best that if you find the diamond in the rough, you should be rewarded with keeping him at the low salary. The problem comes when we are talking about the player that doesn't explode but you used him in the FHL and now, according to what is posted, you have to make a free agency decision on him.
I say we just use the formula posted for salary expectations and if a guy explodes off a 100k contract, good on the owner. Still due his 150%. Worst case scenario for the player is he plays 2 seasons before really getting paid!
It just has to be the same way for all players, it can't go by card. So what I was trying to say is, either all non contract players are free agents at the end of the season and thus available for bid or they are all in line for retention at 150% of their previous season salary.
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 25, 2011 21:39:08 GMT -5
You are right Phil, I rescind my "self proclaimed appointment as Deputy Commissioner of the FHL" and I will wait until this issue is resolved by the league authority. Fantasy Hockey is not worth two grown men arguing over to me. I love this league but I already know both how big my cock is and how much I can bench press. To clear this post up, that was an apology Chris. Well, Im appalled ...Ceiling Mirrors can be awfully deceptive! Now that was funny |
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when I discover a player and he actually pans out.***
...Ceiling Mirrors can be awfully deceptive! 