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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 23, 2011 19:28:55 GMT -5
I believe i remember seeing something about when one of your minor leaguers (Salary <500,000) get called up their contracts get bumped to the league min and you would then have to determine their contract length. I could of course be wrong but was just wondering because I had noticed that Suffolk has called up and used Alexander Urbom in the last game due to injuries to their defense.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 23, 2011 20:08:56 GMT -5
I believe i remember seeing something about when one of your minor leaguers (Salary <500,000) get called up their contracts get bumped to the league min and you would then have to determine their contract length. I could of course be wrong but was just wondering because I had noticed that Suffolk has called up and used Alexander Urbom in the last game due to injuries to their defense. Excellent point Dane!!!! Is this true Glenn? Even when injuries necessitate? Or is their a minimum/maximum games played before they are salaried as true FHL "Bigs"? |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 24, 2011 11:06:32 GMT -5
I believe i remember seeing something about when one of your minor leaguers (Salary <500,000) get called up their contracts get bumped to the league min and you would then have to determine their contract length. I could of course be wrong but was just wondering because I had noticed that Suffolk has called up and used Alexander Urbom in the last game due to injuries to their defense. Excellent point Dane!!!! Is this true Glenn? Even when injuries necessitate? Or is their a minimum/maximum games played before they are salaried as true FHL "Bigs"? That is a good point Dane. I remember us discussing the issue and I wanted to make sure that guys weren't going to be signed for 100k for 5 years and be used as valuable parts of the team at a bargain basement price. I know that we put in the minimum salary requirements based on years signed so I am not sure if there should be a 500k upgrade if a guy comes up for a few games. Maybe if anything, if he plays a certain number of games in the "F" his next years minimum salary would jump to 500k. I am open to hear others thoughts as well. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 24, 2011 11:12:26 GMT -5
We can call up our own players now, correct ?
We just slide them over from our minor roster on the team line-up page ?
No more posting to request somone and having Glenn hafta do it ?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 24, 2011 11:18:16 GMT -5
We can call up our own players now, correct ? We just slide them over from our minor roster on the team line-up page ? No more posting to request somone and having Glenn hafta do it ? That is correct. if someone is injured (or their slot is empty on the lineup page for any reason), the engine will look to fill with the best candidate from the guys assigned to the "BIG"s first. If no one is there that matches the general position (F,D,G), it will bring someone up automatically from the minors. Because the pool is so deep on each team, there never should be another need to have me load an emergency call up. That is the beauty of the 45-50 man franchises. |
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 24, 2011 11:23:02 GMT -5
Excellent point Dane!!!! Is this true Glenn? Even when injuries necessitate? Or is their a minimum/maximum games played before they are salaried as true FHL "Bigs"? That is a good point Dane. I remember us discussing the issue and I wanted to make sure that guys weren't going to be signed for 100k for 5 years and be used as valuable parts of the team at a bargain basement price. I know that we put in the minimum salary requirements based on years signed so I am not sure if there should be a 500k upgrade if a guy comes up for a few games. Maybe if anything, if he plays a certain number of games in the "F" his next years minimum salary would jump to 500k. I am open to hear others thoughts as well. The only problem with that is if someone has a player on their AHL team who has a ridiculous season in the NHL, they will be able to start them in the minors and call up after the first game. Even when they reach the limit for games played it is not going to affect them until the following season. People could have two or three guys on their FHL team with $100,000 contracts if they are lucky. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 24, 2011 11:53:58 GMT -5
That is a good point Dane. I remember us discussing the issue and I wanted to make sure that guys weren't going to be signed for 100k for 5 years and be used as valuable parts of the team at a bargain basement price. I know that we put in the minimum salary requirements based on years signed so I am not sure if there should be a 500k upgrade if a guy comes up for a few games. Maybe if anything, if he plays a certain number of games in the "F" his next years minimum salary would jump to 500k. I am open to hear others thoughts as well. The only problem with that is if someone has a player on their AHL team who has a ridiculous season in the NHL, they will be able to start them in the minors and call up after the first game. Even when they reach the limit for games played it is not going to affect them until the following season. People could have two or three guys on their FHL team with $100,000 contracts if they are lucky. We will have to review prior threads but if the guys is on a sub 500k base contract he is only signed for 1 year based on the minimum contract amt for contract length mentioned above. Therefore this player will be getting a raise as I am sure there will be some offers thrown his way in the RFA process. The owner can the decide to match or let them go. |
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 24, 2011 11:59:32 GMT -5
I thought the whole point of signing those guys was so we did not have to worry about anyone else having the chance to go for them? Didn't we say if "current contract * 1.5 = under 500k" then their new contract would be whatever current contract * 1.5 is and they would stay in minors? However, if it will be greater than 500k or the person wants to call them up to Bigs, they will decide a contract?
I don't remember there being anything about other teams having a chance to go after these players.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 24, 2011 12:13:10 GMT -5
I thought the whole point of signing those guys was so we did not have to worry about anyone else having the chance to go for them? Didn't we say if "current contract * 1.5 = under 500k" then their new contract would be whatever current contract * 1.5 is and they would stay in minors? However, if it will be greater than 500k or the person wants to call them up to Bigs, they will decide a contract? I don't remember there being anything about other teams having a chance to go after these players. I remember that if their current contract was under 500k then their salary for the following year was going to be 1.5 * last year's salary. Guys that are under contract for multiple years have some protection. The way I remember it, the only protection the udner 500k guy has is right to match offer or some percentage (90%) of the offer. No threads have been deleted so if someone want to sift through the posts and see what they find that would be great. |
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 24, 2011 12:22:50 GMT -5
Here is the thread: gtgfhl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=freeagency&action=display&thread=884The posts I would pay attention to are: -#1 and #2 - Paul and Glenn -#14 - Chris Suffolk -Page 2 is full of different ideas, etc -#31 - Glenn ... This is probably the most important post I didn't really read anymore after post #31 because it looked like the majority of people were saying that worked, so I'm assuming that's the last we talked about it. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 24, 2011 16:43:46 GMT -5
I thought the whole point of signing those guys was so we did not have to worry about anyone else having the chance to go for them? Didn't we say if "current contract * 1.5 = under 500k" then their new contract would be whatever current contract * 1.5 is and they would stay in minors? However, if it will be greater than 500k or the person wants to call them up to Bigs, they will decide a contract? I don't remember there being anything about other teams having a chance to go after these players. I remember that if their current contract was under 500k then their salary for the following year was going to be 1.5 * last year's salary. Guys that are under contract for multiple years have some protection. The way I remember it, the only protection the under 500k guy has is right to match offer or some percentage (90%) of the offer. No threads have been deleted so if someone want to sift through the posts and see what they find that would be great. Negative, from what I remember and from what I just read in the other thread, players on minor league deals are due raises each year of 150% with the owner deciding to pay that amount for him or releasing him to FA. Once these players reach the 500k threshold, they become free agents the following year. Keep in mind we did discuss that if a player is used on an FHL roster who is on a minor league deal (under 500k), his salary automatically goes up to the 500k and he would become a free agent at the end of the season. I believe this will make the owners responsible for who they call up as well. This basically means that the players who make under 500k are essentially protected and cannot receive bids. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 24, 2011 16:47:11 GMT -5
Here are the minimum contract thresholds required to sign a player for x amount of years: <500k 1 year contract (150% raise due next year) 500k to 795k 2 year deal max 800k to 1.495M 3 year deal max 1.5M to 3.45M 4 year deal max 3.5M to 5.45M 5 year deal max 5.5 and higher 6 year deal max If a player is under the 500k league minimum, he will be in line for a 150% raise next year. If this raise keeps him below 500k, he is still your property and he can play in the minors for you at that cost. If he needs to be called up during the year, his salary for the current year will jump to 500k and a you will need to make a determination next year if you want to sign him to a FHL contract. This is discussed immediately below. If you do decide to sign the player called up or sign another player whose new salary (with the 150% raise) takes him to or over 500k next year to a FHL contract, you will determine the number of years you wish to sign him for and his contract amount will be based on his cards value as a function of the range for the years you wish to sign him for. For example, you have a guy with an average card 30-20- 27 for example and wanted to sign him for 3 years his yearly contract amount would be about 1.15M (the mid point of the 3 year term salary range). If he had a poor card, has yearly value might be 850k and if his card was very good, you may be looking at 1.35M per based on the same logic. Any player signed thusly to a FHL contract will be a RFA after the FHL contract has expired. This is true unless of course he was already on a FHL contract that he was cut from in which case he would become a UFA. At the end of each year, you can walk away from any contract that is under 500k with no penalty and the player will revert to FA status. I think this provides a good framework for players being priced accordingly while affording protection for teams who draft these guys. I will also send this message out via email to alert everyone of the minimum amounts needed. Barring strong collective feedback regarding this issue, we will move forward and try to complete this round tonight at 8:00. If you gave any feedback, good or bad, please post it here for others to digest as well. If anyone wants their bids for this round reset based on this message, please alert me and I will do so as well. Thanks, Glenn Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=freeagency&action=display&thread=884&page=4#ixzz1bjpbLZmFHow did we miss this fella's? |
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Oct 24, 2011 16:49:23 GMT -5
I can see a combination of Scott's and Justin's plans as a workable solution. Guys are protected until reaching the 500k threshold at which time the owner decides to sign them to a longer term contract or cut them loose as a UFA. An owner could also choose to drop them, without penalty at the end of each year in which case they would become again UFAs. Now in regards to the thresholds, I think the one's I proposed more closely reflect the current NHL contracts I have seen. There have been a lot of 1 and 2 year deals for 750k and I cannot recall hearing of a deal for under 1M that was for 3 years or longer. Because these guys (for the most part barring a previous contract in the league) will become RFA at the end of their first FHL contract (500K plus), I lean more towards the thresholds I had posted earlier.... these: <500k 1 year contract (150% raise due next year) 500k to 795k 2 year deal max 800k to 1.495M 3 year deal max 1.5M to 3.45M 4 year deal max 3.5M to 5.45M 5 year deal max 5.5 and higher 6 year deal max when determining minimum contract lengths. edit - oops just saw Scott's posts |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 24, 2011 17:07:38 GMT -5
Here is the thread: gtgfhl.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=freeagency&action=display&thread=884The posts I would pay attention to are: -#1 and #2 - Paul and Glenn -#14 - Chris Suffolk -Page 2 is full of different ideas, etc -#31 - Glenn ... This is probably the most important post I didn't really read anymore after post #31 because it looked like the majority of people were saying that worked, so I'm assuming that's the last we talked about it. - I believe the first comment by Dane was saying: "If a Minor League Player was called up to the Bigs, does his salary immediately JUMP to the MINIMUM of FHL Players, being $500k." 2nd- I think Ian is saying that players who are up in the BIGS for the season should have their salaries raised to the BIGS MINIMUM of $500,000. I think both are valid questions/statements. But the original question from Dane was brought up because Suffolk had two injuries and brought up ( temporarily ) two minor leaguers to fill the spots left vacant by the injuries. Therefore, Dane was unsure if those players salaries would now jump to $500,000. The difference between the 2 questions is TEMPORARY STATUS and PERMANENT STATUS....I personally feel, as is done in the NHL, callups are ok, but once a player hits a "Minimum of 10 Games Played in the NHL" their full contract price kicks in...this would mean a $500,000 Contract Hit would be administered to the FHL Club OR the player would be placed on waivers. Since we dont have a waiver policy in place here at the FHL, I would suggest we go with either: 1- Unconditional Call Ups
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2- After a Minor League Player hits 15 Games Played in the FHL Bigs, his contract be doubled ( or at least raised to $500K ) and that salary remains a Cap Hit for that team. The team will then need to be UNDER the Cap Maximum requirements of the FHL. A player may need to be dropped as un UFA to fulfill this obligation, or another player may be sent down for the remainder of the season. Soooo, How do we allow call ups for injured players throughout the season AND stay below this 15 Games Played Maximum???Well, you will need to juggle the players you call up to your BIG club throughout the season. Being careful not to use the same guy over and over and to allow yourself wiggle room along the way. Just my thoughts. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 24, 2011 17:30:17 GMT -5
Whatever the NHL does...MIRROR it.
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