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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2016 9:06:11 GMT -5
It seems as though that would make it more difficult to plan out your salary cap as it's kind of a crap shoot as to whether or not a player will get an NHL vs AHL card and as I mentioned yesterday, more prospects means less of a pool to draw from in the case of injuries, etc. Seems to me that most of our minor league teams would be prospects. Yes, this would ease the salary cap burden a little bit I see personnel problems here unless my assumption is incorrect but I'm guessing we wouldn't be able to use these players in our lineups if they are at half salary.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Jul 5, 2016 9:22:50 GMT -5
It seems as though that would make it more difficult to plan out your salary cap as it's kind of a crap shoot as to whether or not a player will get an NHL vs AHL card and as I mentioned yesterday, more prospects means less of a pool to draw from in the case of injuries, etc. Seems to me that most of our minor league teams would be prospects. Yes, this would ease the salary cap burden a little bit I see personnel problems here unless my assumption is incorrect but I'm guessing we wouldn't be able to use these players in our lineups if they are at half salary. I agree with the salary cap, if their 1/2 salary could be added into the prospects section just as a reminder this may hit your books next year it could help with the planning. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2016 11:13:19 GMT -5
Prospect status is only given to guys who meet the criteria and entered the GHL via draft and are on their ELC. Prospects don't hit the books. This is for guys who were drafted but no longer prospects so I don't understand why you think the majority of our minor league teams would be comprised of them.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2016 11:16:24 GMT -5
So if they are half past status, would they still be available to be used on the roster for injury fill in if needed. I'm thinking of teams who are not as flush with NHL talent here
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2016 11:29:46 GMT -5
LOL. Are you still drinking? What is half past status? I bet you get the higher alcohol content Labatts since you are so close to the border and not the watered down stuff we get down here.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2016 12:16:45 GMT -5
Damn right, if I could read the bottle, I'd tell you the alcohol content but it's all a little blurry at the moment... Half price status...
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2016 13:01:33 GMT -5
Yes, they wouldn't be prospects so they would have a card available for use.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Aug 1, 2016 9:51:45 GMT -5
Any chance we can also hammer out the exact details for the cap moving forward, drafted player contracts and expansion draft? I feel like these things are important to know going into RFA and we still have plenty of time before the season starts. We can certainly continue discussing it while we do the test bidding. My latest on this is that there won't be any major adjustments to the cap. The fact that prospects don't hit the cap and the lowering of minor league carded drafted players should help as well. The big question I see is how far to lower them? 1/2 contract or a fixed price, let's say 200k, for these players |
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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 1, 2016 10:04:34 GMT -5
I would say half at best, lowering drafted player contracts goes against the thought process of keeping the contacts closer to real life. If we put in a waiver system, this would bring us much closer. I would volunteer to track the waiver wire
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Aug 1, 2016 10:18:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately its not just as easy as having someone watch the waiver wire. It would take extensive code changes to implement a waiver wire. The freedom that GMs have now in promoting and demoting players, as well as the engines need to sometimes dip into the minor leagues to grab a player to fill a roster spot would need to go throw a massive overhaul.
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Post by Ian-Halifax on Aug 1, 2016 11:14:49 GMT -5
Any chance we can also hammer out the exact details for the cap moving forward, drafted player contracts and expansion draft? I feel like these things are important to know going into RFA and we still have plenty of time before the season starts. We can certainly continue discussing it while we do the test bidding. My latest on this is that there won't be any major adjustments to the cap. The fact that prospects don't hit the cap and the lowering of minor league carded drafted players should help as well. The big question I see is how far to lower them? 1/2 contract or a fixed price, let's say 200k, for these players If it doesn't have to be a fixed price I would say: 1st - 300k 2nd - 250k 3rd - 200k 4th - 150k 5th - 100k Then when they are no longer eligible for this price they change to the current drafted prices we use. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Aug 1, 2016 11:27:20 GMT -5
Put me in the Harry Sinden mold Matt....If we put an RFA D-man with a 61-89 card at 7.1 per season, and we aren't considering this an elite card, where are we going to value 60-105 cards? 9.0? 10? 7.1 is nearly 10% of of our entire payroll spent on one player Matt. We have to field another 44 players into our rosters. The NHL can afford this type of contract because they only have to sign 23-24 more players. If it were a Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin, or a Patrick Kane, I wouldn't have a problem with it. You cant compare NHL salaries to GHL salaries. And, if you want to compare GHL stats to drive GHL salaries, Lindholm shouldn't be asking for 7.1 mil. Again, I am aware that I will get a discount for signing him, bringing his salary down a bit. But it's still a 7.1 that we started at....I on't agree that should be that "particular" players starting point. But, if that's the direction this league is heading, then all I can do is go along. But my feelings are that these type of asking prices are going to severely hamper OUR GM's from making moves in the future. The teams that have been able to draft well, acquire well, and be under the cap...are going to be FORCED to lose their good young talent in their prime.....A la a Halifax. Huge difference between being FORCED to trade and WILLINGLY trading I just ran some figures for Lindholm here at lunch. If my chicken scratch is right and he doesn't get bid up by anyone, you will be signing him for 4.8M for 5 years or 5.25M for 6 years. A bargain if you ask me. Or of course you could bridge him for 2 years at 6.2M if that floats your boat. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 1, 2016 12:04:23 GMT -5
We can certainly continue discussing it while we do the test bidding. My latest on this is that there won't be any major adjustments to the cap. The fact that prospects don't hit the cap and the lowering of minor league carded drafted players should help as well. The big question I see is how far to lower them? 1/2 contract or a fixed price, let's say 200k, for these players If it doesn't have to be a fixed price I would say: 1st - 300k 2nd - 250k 3rd - 200k 4th - 150k 5th - 100k Then when they are no longer eligible for this price they change to the current drafted prices we use. Way too much of a discount on drafted players, either leave it at what it is which is the most realistic or half salary at absolute best. How does it make sense that drafted players get a discount but anyone else in your minors don't. Again, how would this be tracked, seems like a nightmare to receive this discount one year and track who you will have to pay next as opposed to who you wouldn't, it's going to get manager's in cap trouble from one year to the next. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Aug 1, 2016 12:15:16 GMT -5
It makes sense because all of these drafted players have a base salary more than the highest paid minor league player. Many of these players would be on 2 way contracts that would play them much more in the Bigs than in the minors.
The other solution would be to raise the cap but then there is no easy way on putting restrictions on which portions of this money can be used for stowing NHL caliber guys in the minors. This solution would target on the players that we want to target for savings, the drafted guys who don't have drafted guys cards yet.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Aug 1, 2016 12:31:53 GMT -5
It makes sense because all of these drafted players have a base salary more than the highest paid minor league player. Many of these players would be on 2 way contracts that would play them much more in the Bigs than in the minors. The other solution would be to raise the cap but then there is no easy way on putting restrictions on which portions of this money can be used for stowing NHL caliber guys in the minors. This solution would target on the players that we want to target for savings, the drafted guys who don't have drafted guys cards yet. So how exactly would it work? McDavid would start at $500k and it'll immediately bounce up to $1 mil when he plays his first game? |
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