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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jun 12, 2020 11:58:22 GMT -5
Ryan O'Reilly isn't showing up on my UFA list, but there is a 20 year old RW Ryan O'Reilly that plays for STL in the UFA drop down. Also, holy smokes Ryan Graves.
Yep, you definitely won that trade, yowza!
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 12, 2020 12:07:04 GMT -5
Ryan O'Reilly isn't showing up on my UFA list, but there is a 20 year old RW Ryan O'Reilly that plays for STL in the UFA drop down. Also, holy smokes Ryan Graves. Yep, you definitely won that trade, yowza!
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 12, 2020 12:35:14 GMT -5
Mr. O'Rielly has been put back in his rightful place. Any team signing him this off season should be well aware of a 10 game suspension he will have to suffer for trying to impersonate another, younger, RoR.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 12, 2020 14:11:52 GMT -5
Pheonix Copley should be on my team, but he is showing as draft eligible. Scott Wedgewood is in my expiring RFA/no card section, but he has a card and is listed as draft eligible. These guys should now be showing up as expected. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 12, 2020 14:19:15 GMT -5
This list is all young guys and a few on MIN deals, so any adjustments to the cards for these players won't have much of an effect on my team's ability to win. However, my team is shallow enough that I might need to slot them in from time to time depending on the health of my team throughout the season. All had cups of coffee in the NHL but also played significant games in the AHL, or at least enough to merit a higher fortitude than what I am seeing. The fewest total games any one guy on this list played was 33 (without any serious injuries, that player had a lot of healthy scratches as an injury callup) with 2 in the 40s, and the rest from 50+ - 60+, in what were also shortened seasons on all levels. Benson, Tyler Hagel, Brandon Merkley, Nicholas Mikkola, Niko Studnicka, Jack Koivula, Otto Lagesson, William Richard, Anthony Radil, Lukas Sautner, Ashton Stamina and Fort for minor league players was flipped. These should look better now. |
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jun 12, 2020 16:14:04 GMT -5
This list is all young guys and a few on MIN deals, so any adjustments to the cards for these players won't have much of an effect on my team's ability to win. However, my team is shallow enough that I might need to slot them in from time to time depending on the health of my team throughout the season. All had cups of coffee in the NHL but also played significant games in the AHL, or at least enough to merit a higher fortitude than what I am seeing. The fewest total games any one guy on this list played was 33 (without any serious injuries, that player had a lot of healthy scratches as an injury callup) with 2 in the 40s, and the rest from 50+ - 60+, in what were also shortened seasons on all levels. Benson, Tyler Hagel, Brandon Merkley, Nicholas Mikkola, Niko Studnicka, Jack Koivula, Otto Lagesson, William Richard, Anthony Radil, Lukas Sautner, Ashton Stamina and Fort for minor league players was flipped. These should look better now. A few did go up, but Merkley, Mikkola, Richard, and Sautner are all still appearing with forts of 1, despite 50-60+ games played across both leagues. Has any other team noticed anything similar? EDIT: Radil is also showing as a 2 with 42 AHL/NHL games played out of an estimated season possibility in the mid-60s (regardless of league) |
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 12, 2020 17:08:45 GMT -5
This is probably a result of the drop in junior players making late season debuts for AHL/NHL clubs that Jon anticipated. It might lessen our ability to dig deep later in the 2020 draft, but it could lead to an all-time awesome draft a year down the road.
Agreed, I just wasn't expecting the impact to be that severe. That's almost a 40% reduction in draftable players. how that conversation went: Me: “Hey guys this draft is gunna be really bad if we don’t do something. Like historically awful, worst we’ve ever seen. Here’s a small sample size to prove it. Can we do anything about it.” People who don’t have high picks or care about the draft: “you don’t know what you’re talking about. Not enough evidence. Sometimes it’s just a bad draft ok. Even if there is a loss we don’t care. Only people it might effect is if you did something ridiculously stupid and traded for a bunch of picks this year. Plus it’ll just make next year better. If you care that much just trade for next years picks, how hard could that be now that I’m seeing all this upside?” Me: “...” Me in thought bubble: I knew I should have just not said anything and tried Trading for future picks but this is what I knew I’d get for trying to level the playing field |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 12, 2020 18:51:46 GMT -5
I was speaking specifically about top end talent, as were you, at least in your original post. So now we're going to flip the script and make it about draft depth? Yes, because of the shortened season, we will lack depth, however, we won't make up for it next year. Sure, there will be more depth in next year's draft but top end talent will be pretty close as we already proved. I believe the magic number was 7. Your first rounders will be just as valuable this year as next. With that said, what would the recommendation be? Include only players who jump in for the NHL's play in round. We never use playoff stats so we wouldn't this year either. Since the AHL isn't going to resume, even if we added players playing in the play in round, it still won't make a significant difference this year.
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Post by Owen-Moncton on Jun 12, 2020 20:08:40 GMT -5
Poor Nick Leddy. five points off last year's totals in 22 fewer games, and he went from a dash 48 to a -1 in two years and yet he is still considered dog-shit. I thought this would be the year he turns it around for me. Eff you GHL hockey gods, LOL.... ALSO... in seven years, he's missed a total of eight games. His STAM and FORT dont appear to reflect this.  |
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 12, 2020 20:28:36 GMT -5
I was speaking specifically about top end talent, as were you, at least in your original post. So now we're going to flip the script and make it about draft depth? Yes, because of the shortened season, we will lack depth, however, we won't make up for it next year. Sure, there will be more depth in next year's draft but top end talent will be pretty close as we already proved. I believe the magic number was 7. Your first rounders will be just as valuable this year as next. With that said, what would the recommendation be? Include only players who jump in for the NHL's play in round. We never use playoff stats so we wouldn't this year either. Since the AHL isn't going to resume, even if we added players playing in the play in round, it still won't make a significant difference this year. I specifically stated it was about depth. As all those players would be prospects. Check page 2 of the other thread, my first post on that page. I used the first round just as an example. And I don’t know where you get your magic number but I believe it was 7 first rounders last year, BUT 13 the year before, unless you found a few to count out in that year as well. (I only added questionable players because of low game counts and couldn’t remember if they’d started the season or not. So DiPietro was the only one you found to count out in that regard and even then it was pretty close (1 game in January or something(I checked and added this in an edit (all the brackets)))) Also this is a bitch session thread so I’m mostly just complaining for the sake of it. Nothing against you. I totally understand that it’d be difficult to figure out an equitable way to handle everything, make it possible to code, wait for the updated cards to filter in and then still have Phil complain that this stuff happens and we should all have just dealt with what was already provided because he has no imagination or sense of reality. Plus I really like to complain. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 12, 2020 20:37:40 GMT -5
The only equitable way I see is including the play in round. We shouldn't include any deeper into the playoffs than that as those players would not be included any other year. As I pointed out though, I don't think it would add many players because it would still exclude those called up to AHL teams.
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 12, 2020 23:27:24 GMT -5
I specifically stated it was about depth. As all those players would be prospects. Check page 2 of the other thread, my first post on that page. I used the first round just as an example. And I don’t know where you get your magic number but I believe it was 7 first rounders last year, BUT 13 the year before, unless you found a few to count out in that year as well. (I only added questionable players because of low game counts and couldn’t remember if they’d started the season or not. So DiPietro was the only one you found to count out in that regard and even then it was pretty close (1 game in January or something(I checked and added this in an edit (all the brackets))))
Also this is a bitch session thread so I’m mostly just complaining for the sake of it. Nothing against you. I totally understand that it’d be difficult to figure out an equitable way to handle everything, make it possible to code, wait for the updated cards to filter in and then still have Phil complain that this stuff happens and we should all have just dealt with what was already provided because he has no imagination or sense of reality.
Plus I really like to complain.All shit posting aside, Jon has probably done more homework on this particular topic than the majority of us put together. |
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 12, 2020 23:58:07 GMT -5
Turns out you can only study so hard for medical school before you go crazy, remember everything gives you PTSD, and want to go on an archer style rampage of your knee jerk reactionary-overly involved-always in your business-social justice (non)warrior classmates, so you take a break by diving headfirst into hockey for a few days....or...you know....something, something covid. Who really remembers these kinds of things?!?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 13, 2020 8:07:40 GMT -5
Poor Nick Leddy. five points off last year's totals in 22 fewer games, and he went from a dash 48 to a -1 in two years and yet he is still considered dog-shit. I thought this would be the year he turns it around for me. Eff you GHL hockey gods, LOL.... ALSO... in seven years, he's missed a total of eight games. His STAM and FORT dont appear to reflect this. As a reminder stamina reflects how much he plays in a game. 9 is the highest rating in this. Some of the top guys this year Chabot 26:00 minpg 9 STAM Doughty 25:49 minpg 9 STAM Josi 25:47 minpg 9 STAM Leddy 21:07 minpg 7 STAM Card stats have always been based upon last years data if available. He played 60 games of the Islanders 68 games or 88.2% that is why his Fort rating is what it is. The plus minus calculation that is folded into the defensive composite score is a function based upon player +/- and team goal differential. Leddy was a -1 and his team was a -1 last year. 2 years ago when he was a -48 and the Islanders in total were -32 as well. While his card is not the cornerstone for a teams defense, he would be a 5/6/7 defensemen on a lot of our teams. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 13, 2020 8:23:34 GMT -5
Turns out you can only study so hard for medical school before you go crazy, remember everything gives you PTSD, and want to go on an archer style rampage of your knee jerk reactionary-overly involved-always in your business-social justice (non)warrior classmates, so you take a break by diving headfirst into hockey for a few days....or...you know....something, something covid. Who really remembers these kinds of things?!? First and most importantly, keep fighting the good fight against those classmates of yours Jon! Secondly, While I wholly agree that the number of draftable players draftable this year is way down (lets say 1/3 fewer) I would think it would be another thing to say the draft talent has been reduced by 33% as well. Justin pulls these stats for us by skimming the team pages on the AHL site. Normally this would happen pretty much at the end of the season. Because the end of the year was so convoluted and volatile many of the teams had already updated their rosters to drop guys that perhaps were on minor league tryout contracts or perhaps had come up from the ECHL for a few games. While these guys certainly would have inflated the total number of draftable players, they wouldn't have moved the needle much, if at all, in regards to the talent pool. There is no doubt that some of the higher end prospects would have been called up and seen some playing time in the AHL if the season would have played out as usual making the draftable. I think we need to make sure we don't conflate the 33% reduction of players and use that as a basis to determine a metric for the weakened draft pool. |
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