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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 11:21:16 GMT -5
Negative. You posted Bobrovsky's average which does not include his 20-21 card, only the 3 seasons prior to that. Therefore his most season stats are not figured in his asking price.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2020 11:33:28 GMT -5
Taken directly from the asking price query as one of the selection criteria:
where (season >= '17-18')
>= means and season including 17-18 and greater...
17-18
18-19
19-20
20-21
So exactly what is the cause of the heartburn? How is this supposed to me made better to more accurately reflect a more palatable asking price for Bob?
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 12:21:19 GMT -5
So, it's a 4 year average?
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jul 5, 2020 13:08:28 GMT -5
A 4 year average would be a 64/68 not a 70/74 like Glenn said before
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 13:11:04 GMT -5
Bobrovsky has a 45-50 card and is asking $5.06m??? His card averaged over 3 years is only a 57-62. Is he asking 5+ based on his card from 3 years ago? The average calculated is for the previous 3 years, which in Bobs case is 70/74. Also note that his cost can go up or down once I roll the stamina/fort values in and recalculate. The cause of the heartburn is that in the cards you just posted, his average is nowhere near the 70-74 you are claiming it to be. Scott posted the actual average of those 4 cards above |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2020 13:14:00 GMT -5
Are you also factoring in the average of his fort and stam as well?
I knew it looked back 3 years. The only reason I was able to determine exactly what is used is because I took the time Sunday of this holiday weekend to research it for you.
FFS he is a God Damned UFA. If you don't want to pay him what he is asking then don't and the market will set his price.
We aren't going to continuously tweak the years looked at or numbers until the price seems right for you. That is counter productive and a further waste of my time.
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jul 5, 2020 13:38:42 GMT -5
Still don’t know why this years shit card is not used in the average. And if Bobs card and asking price is jacked how many others are.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 13:55:29 GMT -5
I don't personally give a shit what his asking price is. I'm simply pointing out the possibility that his card average of 70-74 over the period you listed is incorrect and possibly inflating his asking price. If you take out his 20-21 card, your average is closer, possibly even bang on. I'm not asking for anything to be tweaked, I'm asking for accuracy. The numbers don't match and those are the numbers used to arrive at the asking prices. If his asking price is correct based on a 64-68 average with stamina figured in then nothing is amiss, but if it was arrived at using a 70-74, then something is off. A 64-68 is still a decent average and therefore the asking price might be correct. It was always assumed that this was figured on a 3 year average. I'm just learning today that it's actually 4.
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jul 5, 2020 15:00:30 GMT -5
The 70/74 is for a 3 year average, 17/18, 18/19, and 19/20.
Using a 20-21 card to determine an asking price during the 2020 offseason is, as Scott alluded to earlier, like a crystal ball approach, it couldn't happen in reality.
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jul 5, 2020 15:06:34 GMT -5
The 70/74 is for a 3 year average, 17/18, 18/19, and 19/20. Using a 20-21 card to determine an asking price during the 2020 offseason is, as Scott alluded to earlier, like a crystal ball approach, it couldn't happen in reality. But if the 20-21 care was higher than the 3 year average than it is used to determine the asking price |
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jul 5, 2020 15:37:06 GMT -5
The 70/74 is for a 3 year average, 17/18, 18/19, and 19/20. Using a 20-21 card to determine an asking price during the 2020 offseason is, as Scott alluded to earlier, like a crystal ball approach, it couldn't happen in reality. But if the 20-21 care was higher than the 3 year average than it is used to determine the asking price I'm not stating an opinion on what I think of the current process for determining the prices, just agreeing with what Scott said about it being a kind of crystal ball kind of scenario. Using the 20-21 card if it is higher than the average also falls under that, I didn't say otherwise. It all depends on how you interpret the information in what it represents. I'm just enjoying the conversation. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 15:41:07 GMT -5
The 70/74 is for a 3 year average, 17/18, 18/19, and 19/20. Using a 20-21 card to determine an asking price during the 2020 offseason is, as Scott alluded to earlier, like a crystal ball approach, it couldn't happen in reality. Yet we use the most recent card to determine other players asking prices. I have always advocated for 3 year asking prices because it eliminates one good season or one bad season from determining asking prices. We don't use this method for all players, however. The problem with the crystal ball effect is that if we're using strictly NHL stats to determine asking prices, then we should be using the 3 most recent cards and not eliminate the players most recent NHL season. If we're not using 20-21 cards as part of asking prices, then the players most recent NHL season is not being considered. How can we base asking prices on what the player did in the NHL and not include what he did most recently? |
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jul 5, 2020 18:41:35 GMT -5
The 70/74 is for a 3 year average, 17/18, 18/19, and 19/20. Using a 20-21 card to determine an asking price during the 2020 offseason is, as Scott alluded to earlier, like a crystal ball approach, it couldn't happen in reality. Yet we use the most recent card to determine other players asking prices. I have always advocated for 3 year asking prices because it eliminates one good season or one bad season from determining asking prices. We don't use this method for all players, however. The problem with the crystal ball effect is that if we're using strictly NHL stats to determine asking prices, then we should be using the 3 most recent cards and not eliminate the players most recent NHL season. If we're not using 20-21 cards as part of asking prices, then the players most recent NHL season is not being considered. How can we base asking prices on what the player did in the NHL and not include what he did most recently? See previous response to NJ establishing that I am not stating an opinion on this, just reinforcing what you yourself already said earlier. |
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Post by Jedediah-Hartford on Jul 8, 2020 9:32:52 GMT -5
I just re-ran the fort calculation to make sure all of the players games (AHL + NHL) were accounted for. Please review now. Note, this is for non goalies only. Looks good now. Did a double check on Mike Condon, he did play 7 games between two different AHL clubs, so even though it won't be a card I'd probably try to use, he should probably have one. Following up on this. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 11, 2020 8:42:09 GMT -5
Looks good now. Did a double check on Mike Condon, he did play 7 games between two different AHL clubs, so even though it won't be a card I'd probably try to use, he should probably have one. Following up on this. Condon has been corrected and is now showing up on your teams roster. |
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