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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 21, 2020 10:30:57 GMT -5
Bobrovsky has a 45-50 card and is asking $5.06m??? His card averaged over 3 years is only a 57-62. Is he asking 5+ based on his card from 3 years ago? The average calculated is for the previous 3 years, which in Bobs case is 70/74. Also note that his cost can go up or down once I roll the stamina/fort values in and recalculate. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jun 21, 2020 12:27:33 GMT -5
Ironically, Rinne ( asking 4.5 at 37 yrs old and an abysmal season ) and McIlhenny ( asking 3.5 at 37 yrs old ) both have worse off Player cards and are in the ballpark range of Bob. Knowing that there is still a calculation to be added, I just don't see Rinne's ask and Bob's to be where they are currently. I predict Bob's to raise up a bit because of Fort and Stamina.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 22, 2020 11:48:16 GMT -5
Thanks Brian, I will review. Any idea on Schneider and if other goalies need to be fixed? When do you expect fortitude/stamina/asking prices to be finalized? |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 22, 2020 12:15:01 GMT -5
Scott reached out this AM with the same question. Within the next few days.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 27, 2020 11:19:08 GMT -5
Anders Nilsson
Played 20 games and has a fort of 1 stamina of 5? Seems a bit off, or am I missing something?
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 27, 2020 11:34:39 GMT -5
He only played 20 games of a possible 71 so his stamina might be a little high at 5. He missed 35 games due to concussion and 1 more due to illness. That's about half so fortitude maybe should be around 5
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 27, 2020 13:39:21 GMT -5
He only played 20 games of a possible 71 so his stamina might be a little high at 5. He missed 35 games due to concussion and 1 more due to illness. That's about half so fortitude maybe should be around 5 ya is just weird in comparison to Reimer who played 25 games. The stamina part I get, I think (20-25/70 games = 5 stamina?). It’s the fortitude which is a bit confusing considering they played nearly the same amount over the season. For Nilsson he missed half the season with the concussion issue and was just not started, rather than injured, for 15 of the first 35 games or so. Based on that he missed half of his possible starts. If that is 1 fort. material that’s ok, I’ll IR him or whatever but thought I’d check first. I mean it’d probably be better for me to IR him anyway and look for a decent goalie to backup Reimer for the season so I’m not trying to make a huge issue out of this, just thought I’d see if this was actually correct. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 27, 2020 16:03:32 GMT -5
I don't think his fortitude seems correct either. Fortitude is based on how many games are missed to injury. With Nilsson missing 36, his fortitude should be relatively low, but it does seem 1 is too low to me as well. Maybe I'm missing something too.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 27, 2020 16:10:50 GMT -5
There were 2 players that didn't match up when I added fort ratings based on Scotts research. It is possible that he was one of those players. I will review.
In regards to Schenider, I see what happened with him. There is a mechanism in place that kicks in if a player only played a few games because of injury and the few games they played did not give him stats that were realistic for him for the year. The mechanism will take an average of their cards over all time to arrive at the cards score. This was triggered given the relatively few NHL games he played last year did not take the shortened season into account. He will be corrected.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 27, 2020 16:19:38 GMT -5
There were 2 players that didn't match up when I added fort ratings based on Scotts research. It is possible that he was one of those players. I will review. In regards to Schenider, I see what happened with him. There is a mechanism in place that kicks in if a player only played a few games because of injury and the few games they played did not give him stats that were realistic for him for the year. The mechanism will take an average of their cards over all time to arrive at the cards score. This was triggered given the relatively few NHL games he played last year did not take the shortened season into account. He will be corrected. That makes sense. You should tinker with that though. Schneider hasn’t had a good card in years. You might want to change it to being an average of the last 3 cards. |
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Jul 5, 2020 6:08:58 GMT -5
Bobrovsky has a 45-50 card and is asking $5.06m??? His card averaged over 3 years is only a 57-62. Is he asking 5+ based on his card from 3 years ago? The average calculated is for the previous 3 years, which in Bobs case is 70/74. Also note that his cost can go up or down once I roll the stamina/fort values in and recalculate. So why do we use previous 3 and not the last 3 cards? |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 6:45:18 GMT -5
I'm going to assume the answer to this is that he can't ask for a contract based on future performance, which is basically what his card is this year. The crystal ball effect. However, if that's the case, maybe we shouldn't be basing asking prices on card value, after all, cards are based on what has happened in the NHL, not the GHL. If we're using NHL stats to determine salary, we should just use NHL contracts. That would kinda defeat the purpose of our league though, wouldn't it. Maybe we should use the previous 3 years GHL stats to come up with asking prices, that would be more realistic. Or, the last 3 player cards instead of the previous 3, which would more closely relate to actual GHL performance.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2020 9:03:35 GMT -5
The previous cards are what is used which were based on the prior years NHL stats.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 5, 2020 9:43:13 GMT -5
Yes, we stated that and are well aware of the issue. What we are doing is trying to suggest a more realistic approach. Scott pointed out a goaltender who has had 2 shit cards in a row which equals 2 shit NHL seasons out of 3 but we're only counting one shit NHL season in his asking price.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 5, 2020 10:28:14 GMT -5
All cards are used so all shit seasons/shit cards are used.
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