Goalies Fatigue During Playoffs

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

I wanted to get the groups take on if a goalies status should have a floor (during the playoffs only) that would prevent them from ever falling below a certain threshold. Example, a goalie that has a 10 stamina rating could never fall below green or a 8 or 8 stamina rating would prevent falling below yellow. These could also be done on a sliding scale based on the round.

Please reply to the poll and feel free to add your comments as well.

[Phil-Cornwall]

No - use the same Goalie 'rules' throughout. A change like this can/will reward teams with a 'lesser' goalie and Defacto punish those owners with Steller endurance 'tenders. A 'two-fold' swing.

[Joe-Adirondack]

Phil it was mentioned by Glenn the goalie in question must be 8+ in fortitude so the lesser goalie with a great card doesn’t factor in the equation

[Phil-Cornwall]

ahh..it's a slippery slope. Changes for change's sake? Why not just dial in the goalies and make them more realistic from the start of the season all the way thru.

[Jon-Seattle]

I’d look at it more from the perspective that the best goalies by in the NHL stop sharing games because they want their best goalie on the ice in those crucial games. Top tier goalies are expected to carry that workload and are prepared for that. It would seem to reflect the NHL playoffs where we stop seeing as much tandem work and teams riding their best goalies without seeing the wheels completely fall off.

[Dane-Hamilton]

A couple questions.

Do we reset goalies for the playoffs? Like everything 100, doesn't matter how much or little they played in regular season and won't factor into calculating how quick they'll move down in status.

How quick does a Goalie move to a lower status at the start of season?

Ex. Will a 10 stamina Goalie take 10 games to go from Blue to Green playing every night then another 10 to go from green to yellow.

Will a 5 Stamina Goalie take 3 games to go from blue to green then another 3 to go from green to yellow.

I'm not sure a floor is the best way to reward high stamina goalies especially if we can reset them at the start. Seems like we have a good system for rewarding them already. I think people are also more worried about Goalie status vs actual effect on game, I remember Cincy winning the cup playing a -1 average Goalie and still played incredibly.

[Owen-Moncton]

Jun 21, 2024 11:48:32 GMT -5 Glenn-Philadelphia said:

I wanted to get the groups take on if a goalies status should have a floor (during the playoffs only) that would prevent them from ever falling below a certain threshold. Example, a goalie that has a 10 stamina rating could never fall below green or a 8 or 8 stamina rating would prevent falling below yellow. These could also be done on a sliding scale based on the round.

Please reply to the poll and feel free to add your comments as well.

As a perennial non contender, I am of the opinion that the deeper a team gets into playoffs, the less fatigue affects goalies as adrenaline takes over. Injuries in general should be less a factor as in reality, guys are much more likely to be willing to battle through real pain and injury in order to win.
Let ‘em fight it out and empty the gas tank ! Last man standing !

[Chris-Suffolk]

I'm looking for a hybrid of the current and something better.

I never liked the idea of a goalie being able to play more games than in reality based on the hypothetical that he COULD possibly play more games if given the opportunity that we use(d) in the GHL. He wasn't given that op yet in the NHL for a reason, be it inexperience, a proven vet in front of him, etc...

I never liked the fact that the GHL allowed goaltenders to play beyond their actual playing career stats, but didn't allow it for other position players. At least not on the same par regarding skill attributes/player card.

However, in the PLAYOFFS...there's always at least two days off and that gives goalies (and all players) the op to freshen up and gain some rest.

I'm not sure if a "basement" is the answer but there should be some type of recovery for goalies for Playoffs. Not Regular Season.

I made the move to acquire Wedgewood early this season because I knew I needed to have a backup that could give rest to Samsanov and in case his 7 Fortitude came into play. Fortunately for Suffolk, most teams only had one horse in the race and I had two. There was only one or two available goalies that I saw, and needed to pounce on before someone else did. Bravo to Suffolk Scouts.

If no changes are made to rules, they are acceptable as is. If changes are made, we will have to adjust. Whatever you guys decide to do, I'm sure the amount of hockey brains/sense in this league will come to a good solution.

[Owen-Moncton]

My final thought is that if the starter is not afforded the edge because of momentum and adrenaline, then the backup coming in cold should be viewed as such and perform slightly less effectively as he would normally, at least for a game until a rhythm is established.

[Chris-Suffolk]

I think most backups stay sharp and ready for the call at a moments notice. They shouldn't be penalized giving the starter a break during a playoff series. I can see a slight penalty coming into a game if the starter got injured.

[Owen-Moncton]

Jun 24, 2024 14:38:39 GMT -5 Chris-Suffolk said:

I think most backups stay sharp and ready for the call at a moments notice. They shouldn't be penalized giving the starter a break during a playoff series. I can see a slight penalty coming into a game if the starter got injured.

I think in reality that a backup is in less of a rhythm in a make or break situation, as is often the team in front of him. Coming in cold in series altering situations has more of an impact than any other position. I reference Samsonov with the Leafs. He played ok, but the goal he let in was a shot that he had to make. A dialed in goalie would make that save 99/100

[Chris-Suffolk]

How would you rate Quick or Ullmark this season? Hard to say either of them had a drop in rhythm!

[Scott-New York]

Season... that's the difference. Quick did not play at all in the playoffs and that's the focus of this discussion. Did Bob look tired in game 7? With the exception of injury or being pulled, #1 goalies typically play every minute in the post-season. That is impossible in the G because they would be at least -2 yellow, orange, or whatever that is if a team were to ride them comparable to what is done in the NHL

[Phil-Cornwall]

Interesting discussion. Should we back down goalie stamina altogether? That may be the best fix.

[Phil-Cornwall]

Stamina seems to work ok for the skaters...just watch the "DVR" and you will see the yellow and orange colors. Chris (Suffolk) played his 4th line very little and double shifted his top guys and they did show as tired. His depth and player skill obviously allowed this strategy to work well.

Perhaps the Goalie stamina needs a lot more work/coding to get closer to realism.