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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Jul 6, 2014 18:13:36 GMT -5
Specifically Fortitude and Stamina:
Fortitude is based on ACTUAL NHL games missed. Skaters are 'nerfed' for missing games for ANY reason - pressbox, injury or any other occurrence but Goalies Fort is exact based on last years' THN stats.
Stamina is based on number of NHL games played.
I'm hoping Glenn will post the table here so we can all see the cut-off scores ect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 5:14:58 GMT -5
So temporary callups due to injury, who play a handful of games, wont be as competitive as legit starters, even if their card appears stronger, correct?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 7, 2014 5:54:05 GMT -5
So temporary callups due to injury, who play a handful of games, wont be as competitive as legit starters, even if their card appears stronger, correct? That is correct as these guys will turn green/yellow/orange quickly. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Aug 15, 2014 9:09:35 GMT -5
I know you've been fielding a lot of questions lately, but have one more regarding goalie stamina. Recently looking at cards and can't seem to make sense of it, Mrazek has a 3, makes sense only played 9 games in the NHL but Joni Ortio played 9 and has a 7 stam.
Another example is Stalock, he played 24 games and is a 5 stamina again makes sense. But then I see Grubauer with 17 games and Martin Jones with 19 games and they are both 7s as well. I know we said AHL games don't go to stamina anymore or Mrazek would be higher. It's fine if it's too late to fix cards but going forward this is something that can greatly affect a teams success.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Aug 15, 2014 9:32:48 GMT -5
I believe goalies use both nhl and ahl stats. While ahl wins and save percentage is obviously not as good as nhl. It still helps round out the players GHL composite especially for total games played and GHL fortitude.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Aug 15, 2014 9:34:06 GMT -5
Ahl stats are taken into consideration both for skaters as well as goalies
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Aug 15, 2014 9:38:39 GMT -5
I believe goalies use both nhl and ahl stats. While ahl wins and save percentage is obviously not as good as nhl. It still helps round out the players GHL composite especially for total games played and GHL fortitude. Was told that is not the case, or else Mrazek and his 32 AHL games would be much closer to Ortio and his 37 AHL games. I also don't feel like AHL should go into stam fortitude yes but a backup NHL guys should not be made a workhorse starter in FHL. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Aug 15, 2014 9:41:16 GMT -5
Along the same lines, I have noticed quite a few player cards with anomalies...my Lance Bouma comes to mind, I also saw goalies and other players with absurd ratings in some categories. In my mind, it looked like someone who was doing the divvying up of points got distracted or type-o'ed and put in am extra digit.
I saw a goalie with a 13 in Rebound control, and I believe that goalie only played 30 games or so...any player ( IMO ) that rates at a 10 or better in any category, deserves scrutiny...Hell, the guys with 9's deserve scrutiny.
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I look at Martin Jones, Alex Stalock, Darcy Kuemper and Cam Talbot specifically. This has been an argument of mine from season 1...14, 12's and 10's in categories are just insane...If they played 60 or more games in the "NHL" I would be a bit more reserved, but come on...Back ups, Call ups and Minor League players do not deserve to have cards that are better than Regular starters. It isn't in the NHL.
All of those goalies above, are not NHL starters, not yet, and all play behind better goalies on their NHL teams. Are saying that Jones is better than Quick?
If a player has a 20 game NHL stint and does well...his GHL card needs to be nerfed!!!! Period...It shouldn't be possible to use this player for a complete GHL season. That's why I suggested an idea of using GP in NHL directly related to GP in GHL.
that makes you use him sparingly, and by design, using strategic times to use the player and not all willy nilly.
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Aug 15, 2014 9:50:11 GMT -5
Also def not complaining as I understand this is a ton of work you're doing for free which doesn't go unappreciated. If you ever need help with anything now or in the future just ask and I'm sure either myself or someone else will be happy to take some of the work off your plate.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Aug 15, 2014 9:54:25 GMT -5
Other than Chris and his reporting that some stats were in the teens, I've studied the goalies this year in particular as I needed one and I find them to be very accurate in almost all stats fort and stam in particular
Can an ahl goalie shine and be a great GHL goalie over top of bigger name nhl boys? Sure. It's totally realistic. Just to say he is an ahl goalie and nerf the crap out of him based on that is wrong
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Aug 15, 2014 9:57:51 GMT -5
This is a complex question, answer to come in the thread later today.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Aug 15, 2014 10:06:56 GMT -5
Other than Chris and his reporting that some stats were in the teens, I've studied the goalies this year in particular as I needed one and I find them to be very accurate in almost all stats fort and stam in particular Can an ahl goalie shine and be a great GHL goalie over top of bigger name nhl boys? Sure. It's totally realistic. Just to say he is an ahl goalie and nerf the crap out of him based on that is wrong Disagree!!!! Big time!!! Sure, he can be better than an NHL goalie. But, until he plays a complete year or two, you won't know that! Averaging a 20 game stint and rounding the numbers up, doesn't actually or accurately portray an AHL goalies abilities Phil. If Martin Jones or Alex Stalock were truly representative and deserving of the GHL cards they possess, they would be NHL starters. And, I do believe Stalock will be supplanting Niemi this year, or at least getting a real shot to do that...he still hasn't done it YET. However, in the GHL, we make guys stars before they are actually stars!!!!! That's my issue. |
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Aug 15, 2014 10:09:53 GMT -5
I look at Martin Jones, Alex Stalock, Darcy Kuemper and Cam Talbot specifically. This has been an argument of mine from season 1...14, 12's and 10's in categories are just insane...If they played 60 or more games in the "NHL" I would be a bit more reserved, but come on...Back ups, Call ups and Minor League players do not deserve to have cards that are better than Regular starters. It isn't in the NHL. All of those goalies above, are not NHL starters, not yet, and all play behind better goalies on their NHL teams. Are saying that Jones is better than Quick? If a player has a 20 game NHL stint and does well...his GHL card needs to be nerfed!!!! Period...It shouldn't be possible to use this player for a complete GHL season. That's why I suggested an idea of using GP in NHL directly related to GP in GHL. that makes you use him sparingly, and by design, using strategic times to use the player and not all willy nilly. That's why I think Stam is off, with Mrazeks 3 I can only use him maybe once every 5-6 games and Stalocks 5 def doesn't make him an every day goalie. Just when backups have 7-8 stamina something seems off But if you had a great season you should have a great card just with a stamina to match it all those guys you mentioned are GREAT backups so in the FHL they should have great backup cards, just because the starter is better than you doesn't mean you can't outplay him in your limited starts |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Aug 15, 2014 10:31:27 GMT -5
right, key word....."LIMITED STARTS".
If he played limited, he gets limited play.
When we drafted originally, all of our teams, I drafted mine based on what was said to be the key factors INCLUDING Stamina and Fortitude. But I started off losing a lot of games to players whom were less qualified in the "Stamina" category specifically. I drafted a legit team that with 4 lines that could play and outlast most of the other teams. Yet, it had no bearing.
That's why I had to regroup and make all of those trades the first two seasons...and took home the title of "Trade Master General" ( self implied of course )...
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Aug 15, 2014 10:47:50 GMT -5
I don't really get what your gripe is except staminas for backups are too high. Like I said Mrazek as a 3 will only get limited starts will not be blue more than 1 game and won't be able to play back to back without going yellow then taking extra long to turn blue again.
I will play him once every 5 games against the leagues top team which is how I feel these "star" backups should be used. There is no problem with their card if a backup had a 1 GAA in 20 games he should have a card in the GHL that allows for that.
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