Teams out of Compliance

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

Doing some rough calculations it looks like we still have 3 teams that are out of cap compliance with the deadline to be cap compliant (9/30) rapid;y approaching.

Rochester 4.4M
Detroit 1.6M
St Louis .6M

Teams must be cap compliant by 9/30. If you haven't done so already, start trade discussions as this is the only tool left to reduce the cap.

[Dane-Hamilton]

What about LTIR or does that happen after the season starts?

[Dane-Hamilton]

I know if Rochester LTIR Laich he will be under the cap, if he really is only over by 4.4

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

Sept 26, 2013 11:53:25 GMT -5 Dane-Hamilton said:

I know if Rochester LTIR Laich he will be under the cap, if he really is only over by 4.4

Players cannot be LTIR until after the season starts and all the contracts have been assigned. This rule was put in place so that guys didn't have a bunch of extra cap room by LTIRing a guy during the FA period.

[Dane-Hamilton]

Glenn said you can't LTIR someone until the season starts.

But in the NHL you are allowed to LTIR someone before the season starts but sounds like if you do that your cap salary cap goes to 0 (already replaced the injured player). However if you waited til the season officially starts you get all the players cap relief.

www.capgeek.com/faq/how-does-long-term-injured-reserve-LTIR-work

Don't think we follow the NHL on this but for example with Rochester

If placed Laich on IR today, they wouldn't be able to go anything more than 4.4 mil(or whatever it is) over the cap all season since they were deemed to already have replaced the player before the season starts.

If they got cap compliant by the first day of the season they could go over the cap his full salary 4.68 million.

This is a lot like what the flyers do every year with Pronger, they send higher priced players on 2-way contracts like brayden schenn (last year I believe) to the minors for the first game so that they are cap compliant then LTIR Pronger to get the full relief of his 4.9 mil cap hit.



Don't think we do it this way since we didn't want people to use all the LTIR savings in Free Agency but just showing what the NHL does. Not sure how he got more than 3.5 over the cap anyway unless he traded for more contracts after UFA.


Edit: Well reading it again sounds confusing, don't know if in the NHL you can LTIR if you aren't already cap compliant

"Further to the previous paragraph, eligible long-term injury space is calculated on the day the player is placed on LTIR. If the salary cap is $70.0 million and the team has a $69.0 million cap payroll the day Player A with a $4.0 million cap hit is placed on LTIR, the team's cap payroll or "Averaged Club Salary" can only exceed the cap by $3.0 million at any point thereafter.
Breakdown: $69.0M + $4.0M - $70.0M = $3.0M"

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

Sept 26, 2013 12:27:18 GMT -5 @samsal said:

Glenn if you LTIR someone do they still count towards your 45-50 player count?

They do not. We will not penalize teams that fall from 45-33 (if any) because of this though.

[John-Michigan]

I undestood I would LTIR a player BEFORE season starts, that is why I was counting on KOMI going on LTIR to clear up my cap issues.

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

Sept 26, 2013 13:59:45 GMT -5 John-Michigan said:

I undestood I would LTIR a player BEFORE season starts, that is why I was counting on KOMI going on LTIR to clear up my cap issues.

No sir. It has been stated repeatedly that LTIR happens after FA is 100% done. It is the same as it was last year when the policy was instituted.

[Joe-Adirondack]

Guys why do u think I trade brooks laich I could have LTIR him and would have been fine cap wise but I need to clear 3.4 mil in order to start the season before LTIR goes into effect I went over this with glen last week if anyone wasn't sure they should have asked

[John-Michigan]

Guess we don't do everything like the NHL

[Scott-New York]

I didn't realize we couldn't use LTIR to get under the cap either, so basically all we use this for is to free up cap space for in season trading? I'm not going to beat a dead horse...

[Scott-New York]

First, there is no whining in hockey. As I said, I didn't realize this either. I thought it could be used to make cap as well, but I have never used this rule. I am surprised by this also, but it's the rule so I live with it, as you do. The league is only entering it's 4th season and this is one of the newest rules we have, growing pains are still to be expected from time to time. I agree with your point of view concerning LTIR but as I pointed out in my last post, dead horse.

[Scott-New York]

Now, it appears St. Louis intended to place Jovanovski on LTIR to squeeze under the cap. His arguments are that LTIR is not in the rule book and because of this, as a new manager, he was not aware he could not do this. Is this grounds for a mulligan?

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

Sept 27, 2013 6:56:54 GMT -5 Scott-New York said:

Now, it appears St. Louis intended to place Jovanovski on LTIR to squeeze under the cap. His arguments are that LTIR is not in the rule book and he because of this, as a new manager, he was not aware he could not do this. Is this grounds for a mulligan?

I would be open to that for the new guys. I will also add it to the rulebook so there is no confusion come next year. That way Rod could LTIR Laich as well.

[Glenn-Philadelphia]

Here are some of the more recent threads concerning LTIR. Details to the threads can be found by following the accompanying links.

I will glean the crux of these posts and add to the rulesbook.


Bang on Joe, this is after all the UFA dust settles. You can place 1 player on LTIR (and not sue them all year) if they have a fortitude of 2 or lower.

Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/search/results?what_at_least_one=LTIR&when_days=999&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0#ixzz2g5sta7cI



You can put 1 player on IR that has a fort of 2 or less. This placement happens after all of FA is done so this will afford no savings to provide players to get to the roster minimum of 45.

Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/search/results?what_at_least_one=LTIR&when_days=999&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0#ixzz2g5tCyiqS



There is relief but it is relief for one player based on his cards fortitude (how healthy he was in real life in the NHL the previous year). I have multiple candidates to choose from this year. Downie, Mitchell, Helm.

The way the rule currently works you can select one of your players whose fort is 2 or less (I believe the number is less than or equal to 2 but I will need to verify this) that you can LTIR after free agency is done but before the season starts and he plays a game. This frees up some cap space for you to make trades to bring higher ticketed players back but doesn't allow someone (in my position this year fro example) to LTIR a high paid player and use those monies to dominate the FA market signing guys for one year.

Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/search/results?what_at_least_one=LTIR&when_days=999&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0#page=3#ixzz2g5tpA9r7



Sep 3, 2012 at 1:11pm Sal-ThunderBay said:
How many guys can we put in LTIR? Also once they have been declared LTIR and if they get traded can the new owner take them off LTIR?


1 guy can be placed on LTIR and if you do so, he cannot be traded or reactivated that year.

You can use the temporary cap space created to bring in players that you might have been otherwise been unable to afford.

Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/search/results?what_at_least_one=LTIR&when_days=999&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0#page=5#ixzz2g5uSlBsq




We had some debate on this at the end of the year. I think where it was left (someone with time on their hands can use the search tool to find the thread) was that teams would have the ability to LTIR a player who has a fort of 2 or less. This would not be able to take place until after all of the FA was completed (included UFA) and it could not be used on a player that played one game or more using his card this year. This would allow GMs to trade for some higher priced players during the year but would not free them from the burden of the players contract.

Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/search/results?what_at_least_one=LTIR&when_days=999&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0#page=6#ixzz2g5uhO1Iz