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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 12, 2020 19:54:41 GMT -5
Commish - Shoehorning this in at the beginning as well.
So I dug up the discussion/rules from our previous expansion draft thread and here is what we settled on:
Each team can protect
7 Forwards, 3 Defensemen, 1 Goalie
OR
8 Skaters and 1 Goalie
Automatically Protected
Any drafted player RFA (non bridged) 2018 2022 or later
Next years players will have a notation of being except as they had in prior years.
<end shoehorning>
Oh yes, New York is already planning for next year's expansion draft... and you should be too.
We know the rules... each team can protect either 8 skaters and 1 goaltender or 7 forwards, 3 defensemen and one goaltender. Any player on his ELC (including 2021 RFA's coming off their ELC) are automatically protected. ELC only, this does not include RFA's coming off of bridge deals as they are no longer on their ELC's.
I have a few questions, because I do not recall how this worked.
1) If the expansion team selects a player who is a 2021 UFA, can they sign them to a contract? If so, the current GHL rules would have to be circumvented for this to take place as they obviously wouldn't have owned them for a full year.
2) Would they be able to sign as many as they like or just one using 75 FP?
3) Will they be allowed to sign them for only 4 years or will they get a waiver on that rule as well?
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Aug 12, 2020 23:07:40 GMT -5
I think for an expansion team it would make sense to throw out arbitrary numbers and see how they sound so:
A) 2 UFAs can be drafted and then resigned to contract extensions.
B) That player counts as the one drafted from the team they just left.
C) No franchise point requirement or give the new team 150 FPs to start and allocate as they wish (can be held for future years instead of this year)
D) No player can be drafted from the last expansion team.
E) The Seattle Metropolitans are also exempt due to....checks list of excuses....recent relocation? (I’m willing to soften on this last stance in order to get my other reasonable items included in the rules for this expansion draft, but am otherwise committed to all of these changes)
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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 13, 2020 4:46:07 GMT -5
Jon, they won't be UFA's yet when the expansion draft takes place so B would be the case regardless. If you had an expiring UFA you planned on resigning, you would have to protect him
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Post by Eric-Baltimore on Aug 13, 2020 6:37:16 GMT -5
Jon, they won't be UFA's yet when the expansion draft takes place so B would be the case regardless. If you had an expiring UFA you planned on resigning, you would have to protect him Why wouldn't they be UFAs yet? Wouldn't any expiring UFA contract expire as soon as the 2021 season ends? I don't think these players were available to be selected during the last expansion draft. I think we will have to change our off-season order up a little. Have UFA extensions finished first thing and then move to the expansion draft. If the expansion team wants a UFA they have to bid on them like the rest of us. |
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Aug 13, 2020 10:17:12 GMT -5
I’m also curious about an expansion team being able to sign/take a UFA.
It seems to go against Collective bargaining/a UFA’s ability to test free agency market. If it’s the NHLPA/NHL rule, then I’m fine with it.
I’m just curious to know if someone has already officially looked into it, otherwise, I’ll check later this evening after work.
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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 13, 2020 14:06:29 GMT -5
That's what I'm asking... so we wouldn't have to protect an expiring UFA if we planned to re-sign him?
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Aug 13, 2020 16:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 13, 2020 16:47:07 GMT -5
Chris, you'll absolutely be able to sign any UFA you wish. My question is more whether you'll have to protect said asset or not. Will UFA's be eligible to be selected by the expansion team? UFA's are technically still the previous teams asset until UFA begins, otherwise the sign and trade deals would not be possible.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Aug 13, 2020 16:54:44 GMT -5
Scott I think a UFA is just that not able to be drafted in expansion draft and is an asset to the team that had him for the season it’s a loop hole in the system but that’s the way it was set up and can not be changed so basically if a team has fantasy points that we all need to earn they will Benefit from this and keep there 7 forwards 3 d a goalie and that UFA they use fp’s on ..... this can’t be changed for expansion I’m sorry or else it needs to be done two years out so teams will not be in the lerch
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Aug 13, 2020 16:59:05 GMT -5
Jon, they won't be UFA's yet when the expansion draft takes place so B would be the case regardless. If you had an expiring UFA you planned on resigning, you would have to protect him Why wouldn't they be UFAs yet? Wouldn't any expiring UFA contract expire as soon as the 2021 season ends? I don't think these players were available to be selected during the last expansion draft. I think we will have to change our off-season order up a little. Have UFA extensions finished first thing and then move to the expansion draft. If the expansion team wants a UFA they have to bid on them like the rest of us. This would close the loophole. Teams can retain their UFA then be forced to protect or expose him in the expansion draft. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Aug 13, 2020 16:59:29 GMT -5
I just can't remember if UFA's were eligible for the expansion draft or not when the then Vancouver franchise was expanded in. I'm not arguing either way, just asking a question.
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Post by Joe-Adirondack on Aug 13, 2020 18:15:45 GMT -5
Brian I would be ok with that plan .... but giving the expansion team fantasy points or letting them draft UFA’s and resigning one or two ...I don’t agree with ..... did Calgary get fantasy points when they entered the league I can’t recall
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Post by Scott-New Jersey on Aug 13, 2020 18:17:07 GMT -5
Last time we where unable to resign our UFAs
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Aug 13, 2020 18:38:17 GMT -5
Before I get my panties bunched up any further, I think it's best we await Glenn's response to what the ruling is for the GHL UFA's and expansion draft.
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Aug 14, 2020 0:26:33 GMT -5
The NHL allows expansion teams to select players who are becoming (or have become I guess) UFAs. However I believe they count as a draft pick from the team they are leaving. In the NHLs case the expansion team has the ability to hold exclusive negotiating rights for a few days. This can be used as a cap tool or to sign a guy that may otherwise be courted by multiple teams.
I’m sure we could sim this by allowing the expansion team to select UFAs and resign them, a limited amount obviously. That doesn’t mean they get to sign the best two UFAs out there either as teams would have to identify who they resign earlier then normal but we have a year for teams to determine who they want to keep or trade for at years end.
I don’t believe we had resigning of UFAs during the last expansion draft and had a year or two to implement giving our expansion team time to accrue FPs.
Honestly only team it might have affected this year is who? Cleveland maybe? He’d probably be happy losing one of those UFAs vs one of his rostered players. Seems like a win-win all the way around except maybe the person who could/would spend 15M on a great but not generational player.
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