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Post by Lance-Pittsburgh on Jun 11, 2021 5:15:10 GMT -5
Bottom three teams in the league pick 7, 12, and 9. Congrats to Calgary, but that’s brutal. Brutal, indeed. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 11, 2021 5:44:05 GMT -5
Not sure why we drew for every spot instead of just the top 2 or 3 and then move the lottery winners up. That way the worse teams can only fall 3 spots at most. The way we drew, the worse team in the league could pick a low as 16 when the lottery is only supposed to move them down to 4 at the worst, which in this case it did. I think we could still use the same draw Glenn did, just not drop the team into position when they are out of cards. Being out of cards simply means you didn't win the lottery. In actuality, the last 3 teams with cards left would win the lottery. So Calgary, Milwaukee and Edmonton won the lottery and move up to #1, #2 & #3 and the rest fall into inverse order of how they finished. I believe that was actually the way it was meant to work.
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jun 11, 2021 6:11:30 GMT -5
Not sure why we drew for every spot instead of just the top 2 or 3 and then move the lottery winners up. That way the worse teams can only fall 3 spots at most. The way we drew, the worse team in the league could pick a low as 16 when the lottery is only supposed to move them down to 4 at the worst, which in this case it did. I think we could still use the same draw Glenn did, just not drop the team into position when they are out of cards. Being out of cards simply means you didn't win the lottery. In actuality, the last 3 teams with cards left would win the lottery. So Calgary, Milwaukee and Edmonton won the lottery and move up to #1, #2 & #3 and the rest fall into inverse order of how they finished. I believe that was actually the way it was meant to work. This is what Glenn said a few days ago: "We will be doing the same thing we did last year and drawing all 16 spots. I lamented to Baltimore at work that some of the lower placing teams can really get screwed this way but I have been saying all along we will pick all 16 so I am not going to change this late in the game. Hopefully we will never have a need to do our own again but if we do, I think I would lobby for picks 1-3 being drawn via lottery so no team could drop more than 3 spots." While I agree with you and would've preferred it that way also (way less stressful knowing I could only drop to 6th), I see where Glenn is coming from changing it that late. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 11, 2021 7:05:47 GMT -5
Yeah boys, I had Monton's pick so I was certainly looking to get a high pick but that's the way the cards played out. This was the same method we used last year and we aren't going to reseed this draft lottery. The results are the the results, for better or worse.
Syracuse was lobbying several years back (before we used the NHL) to utilize a system similar to what his fantasy baseball league used where the draft order was determined based upon finish for non playoff teams but in the inverse order. This means that the team that was the best that didn't make the playoffs would get the number 1 overall with each additional spot taken by the next best finishing team. He pointed out that this system rewards teams for fighting till the end and punishes teams who tanked (and by extension just bad teams as I pointed out) as well.
The method employed last night was the one we used every year that we weren't using the NHL lottery directly. Last nights results were out of the ordinary for sure.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 11, 2021 7:24:46 GMT -5
I’m sure it’s out there somewhere, but could somebody post the entire draft order?
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 12, 2021 21:00:02 GMT -5
I’m sure it’s out there somewhere, but could somebody post the entire draft order? A little help? |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 12, 2021 21:31:04 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone has assembled the entire draft order yet. I will try and put it together in the morning.
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jun 12, 2021 21:47:16 GMT -5
Regarding the entire draft order, was the lottery just for round 1 and the rest of the rounds go by finishing order? Or was the lottery for every round?
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 12, 2021 21:52:12 GMT -5
Regarding the entire draft order, was the lottery just for round 1 and the rest of the rounds go by finishing order? Or was the lottery for every round? I believe it’s just for the first round. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 13, 2021 7:23:41 GMT -5
This is the potential 2021 draft order (not taking into account the draft lottery) using the NHL rules as follows.
1. The teams that did not qualify for the playoffs the previous season (picks 1–16)
2. The teams that made the playoffs in the previous season but did not win either their division in the regular season or play in the Conference Finals (picks 17–24 up to 28)
3. The teams that won their divisions in the previous season but did not play in the Conference Finals (potentially picks 25–28)
4. The teams that lose in Conference Finals (picks 29 and 30)
5. The team that was the runner-up in the Stanley Cup Finals (pick 31)
6. The team that won the Stanley Cup in the previous season (pick 32)
1. Pittsburgh
2. Washington
3. Oregon
4. Moncton
5. Baltimore
6. Chicago
7. Calgary
8. Milwaukee
9. Hamilton
10. Edmonton
11. Cleveland
12. Hershey
13. Montreal
14. Syracuse
15. New Jersey
16. Quebec
17. St. Paul
18. Seattle
19. Hartford
20. Cornwall
21. Philadelphia
22. Suffolk
23. Detroit
24. Boston
25. Adirondack
26. Toronto
27. Colorado
28. Alaska
29. Johnstown
30. New York
31. Cincinnati
32. Halifax
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 13, 2021 7:54:19 GMT -5
Thanks for assembling Scotty. I will mash the draft lottery results on the top (for round 1) and the rest of the rounds will follow this order.
Now, back to the card for me.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 13, 2021 7:54:52 GMT -5
Round 1
1) Calgary
2) Milwaukee
3) Edmonton
4) Baltimore
5) Oregon
6) Hamilton
7) Pittsburgh
8) Cleveland
9) Moncton
10) Chicago
11) New Jersey
12) Washington
13) Quebec
14) Syracuse
15) Montreal
16) Hershey
17. St. Paul
18. Hartford
19. Cornwall
20. Philadelphia
21. Detroit
22. Boston
23. Colorado
24. Toronto
25. Seattle
26. Suffolk
27. Adirondack
28. Alaska
29. Johnstown
30. New York
31. Cincinnati
32. Halifax
Round 2 to 5
1. Pittsburgh
2. Washington
3. Oregon
4. Moncton
5. Baltimore
6. Chicago
7. Calgary
8. Milwaukee
9. Hamilton
10. Edmonton
11. Cleveland
12. Hershey
13. Montreal
14. Syracuse
15. New Jersey
16. Quebec
17. St. Paul
18. Hartford
19. Cornwall
20. Philadelphia
21. Detroit
22. Boston
23. Colorado
24. Toronto
25. Seattle
26. Suffolk
27. Adirondack
28. Alaska
29. Johnstown
30. New York
31. Cincinnati
32. Halifax
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 13, 2021 20:12:20 GMT -5
Curious, why my pick is 18th despite making it to the second round, and thus before someone pushed out in round one, like Hartford. I’m guessing because of wildcard status/winning %? Is that correct?
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 13, 2021 20:15:34 GMT -5
Curious, why my pick is 18th despite making it to the second round, and thus before someone pushed out in round one, like Hartford. I’m guessing because of wildcard status/winning %? Is that correct? 1. The teams that did not qualify for the playoffs the previous season (picks 1–16) 2. The teams that made the playoffs in the previous season but did not win either their division in the regular season or play in the Conference Finals (picks 17–24 up to 28) 3. The teams that won their divisions in the previous season but did not play in the Conference Finals (potentially picks 25–28) 4. The teams that lose in Conference Finals (picks 29 and 30) 5. The team that was the runner-up in the Stanley Cup Finals (pick 31) 6. The team that won the Stanley Cup in the previous season (pick 32) |
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 13, 2021 20:19:13 GMT -5
Curious, why my pick is 18th despite making it to the second round, and thus before someone pushed out in round one, like Hartford. I’m guessing because of wildcard status/winning %? Is that correct? If you want to pick later in the first I'll swap you no questions asked. |
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