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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 13, 2021 20:28:41 GMT -5
I saw that part Scott but how does 17-24 work? Is it purely regular season winning % or should there have been a consideration for when the team was knocked out of the playoffs is what I’m asking and isn’t fleshed out in your explanation
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 13, 2021 20:31:57 GMT -5
I saw that part Scott but how does 17-24 work? Is it purely regular season winning % or should there have been a consideration for when the team was knocked out of the playoffs is what I’m asking and isn’t fleshed out in your explanation It's based on standings, the lower point total gets the higher pick |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 14, 2021 7:32:16 GMT -5
Oh there might be some changes to the list that Scotty posted then. I will need to review. We have always used worst record based on the round that you were bounced. It sounds like this might not be the case with the current list. I will review and revise as needed.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 14, 2021 8:26:35 GMT -5
I have a question relating to draft eligible players. This was an odd year because of Covid and players such as Zayde Wisdom played 28 games in the AHL. In a normal season he wouldn’t have been eligible for the AHL and would have had to play Juniors. For this season I know he’ll have a regular pro card because he played in the pros. If he plays Juniors all next season would he revert to prospect status, or once he loses prospect status in the GHL then it’s gone forever?
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Post by Brenden-Oregon on Jun 14, 2021 8:36:27 GMT -5
I have a question relating to draft eligible players. This was an odd year because of Covid and players such as Zayde Wisdom played 28 games in the AHL. In a normal season he wouldn’t have been eligible for the AHL and would have had to play Juniors. For this season I know he’ll have a regular pro card because he played in the pros. If he plays Juniors all next season would he revert to prospect status, or once he loses prospect status in the GHL then it’s gone forever? If he plays juniors only next season, I would imagine it would just push a year on his contract since he wouldn't have a card the next season, a la Nolan Patrick not having a card this past season, adding an extra year to his contract. Which brings me to a question about the expansion draft. Does Nolan Patrick need to be protected since he finished his 3rd year after being drafted in the GHL? Or because he didn't have a card last season, is he exempt? |
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jun 14, 2021 8:42:48 GMT -5
I have a question relating to draft eligible players. This was an odd year because of Covid and players such as Zayde Wisdom played 28 games in the AHL. In a normal season he wouldn’t have been eligible for the AHL and would have had to play Juniors. For this season I know he’ll have a regular pro card because he played in the pros. If he plays Juniors all next season would he revert to prospect status, or once he loses prospect status in the GHL then it’s gone forever? If he plays juniors only next season, I would imagine it would just push a year on his contract since he wouldn't have a card the next season, a la Nolan Patrick not having a card this past season, adding an extra year to his contract. Which brings me to a question about the expansion draft. Does Nolan Patrick need to be protected since he finished his 3rd year after being drafted in the GHL? Or because he didn't have a card last season, is he exempt? True. That’s only if he plays Juniors (and has no card). What happens if his Junior season ends and he gets a late call up and only plays a game or two for the AHL team? That would mean he’d have a card. But, if he don’t reclaim prospect status, that’s a wasted year. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 14, 2021 9:12:25 GMT -5
Given COVID there might be some special steps taken on a case by case basis.
Currently, once a guy loses his prospect status it is gone forever. That means if a guy would play 27 games in the AHL and then played junior the following year his first year of his contract would have been burned while in juniors.
On a broader note, I know I had suggest this in the past and believe I had some amount of consensus regarding, a drafted player (at least top 3 rounds if not all) would be considered a prospect until he plays at least 20 (10 if a goalie) NHL games before losing his prospect status. We have too many cases of guys playing in the minors for a year or 2 of seasoning and maybe only have one year (or no years) of NHL experience under their belt to aid an owner in determining what to do now that his ELC is over.
I will start another thread for deeper discussion but if approved, we would start using this as the rule of thumb next year when determining prospect status.
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Post by Matt-Colorado on Jun 14, 2021 9:15:36 GMT -5
Oh there might be some changes to the list that Scotty posted then. I will need to review. We have always used worst record based on the round that you were bounced. It sounds like this might not be the case with the current list. I will review and revise as needed. I was anticipating a higher pick, but wasn't going to complain. Example: In 2017/2018 when I finished first in the division, second in the conference, and was bounced in the first round---I drafted 23rd. Pretty much identical to this year. |
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 14, 2021 17:00:32 GMT -5
Oh there might be some changes to the list that Scotty posted then. I will need to review. We have always used worst record based on the round that you were bounced. It sounds like this might not be the case with the current list. I will review and revise as needed. I was anticipating a higher pick, but wasn't going to complain. Example: In 2017/2018 when I finished first in the division, second in the conference, and was bounced in the first round---I drafted 23rd. Pretty much identical to this year. right, which makes sense, as you were a division winner and we had two less teams that year. This tracks with Scott’s explanation but as a non-divisonal winner who got to the second round it’s odd that my native pick is 2nd best among playoff teams. It’s not a huge issue and it’s an entirely selfish question so feel free to tell me it is what it is or whatever. I think the thing that annoys me the most was Detroit’s pick being so high despite first round exit, while my native pick is better despite making it to second round. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 14, 2021 19:45:46 GMT -5
Oh there might be some changes to the list that Scotty posted then. I will need to review. We have always used worst record based on the round that you were bounced. It sounds like this might not be the case with the current list. I will review and revise as needed. Indeed, I can adjust. I thought we used the NHL rules. Is it just straight up by round eliminated and point total? That's much simpler to calculate actually although the NHL rules more accurately depict team strength by holding division winners in the lower draft seedings. |
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Post by Jon-Seattle on Jun 14, 2021 20:27:34 GMT -5
Oh there might be some changes to the list that Scotty posted then. I will need to review. We have always used worst record based on the round that you were bounced. It sounds like this might not be the case with the current list. I will review and revise as needed. Indeed, I can adjust. I thought we used the NHL rules. Is it just straight up by round eliminated and point total? That's much simpler to calculate actually although the NHL rules more accurately depict team strength by holding division winners in the lower draft seedings. Matt can keep his awful pick, lol. I’m mostly talking about ranking non division winning, playoff teams. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 15, 2021 6:53:12 GMT -5
Oh there might be some changes to the list that Scotty posted then. I will need to review. We have always used worst record based on the round that you were bounced. It sounds like this might not be the case with the current list. I will review and revise as needed. Indeed, I can adjust. I thought we used the NHL rules. Is it just straight up by round eliminated and point total? That's much simpler to calculate actually although the NHL rules more accurately depict team strength by holding division winners in the lower draft seedings. Yes, if you don't mind Scott, it's based first on round bounced and then pts. Tie breakers are wins then GF vs GA. |
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 15, 2021 6:57:14 GMT -5
No problem, I will adjust accordingly but you realize that this way, a team can win their division and if they get ousted in the 1st round they can pick as high as 17
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jun 15, 2021 7:37:36 GMT -5
No problem, I will adjust accordingly but you realize that this way, a team can win their division and if they get ousted in the 1st round they can pick as high as 17 Yep, I understand. That's the way we have always done it.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jun 15, 2021 13:23:42 GMT -5
Updated using GHL rules, sorry for the confusion boys. Glenn, if you could merge this with the previous thread of the lottery results. I also added Oregon into the 3 spot, as they were left off my last list.
1. Pittsburgh
2. Washington
3. Oregon
4. Moncton
5. Baltimore
6. Chicago
7. Calgary
8. Milwaukee
9. Hamilton
10. Edmonton
11. Cleveland
12. Hershey
13. Montreal
14. Syracuse
15. New Jersey
16. Quebec
17. St. Paul
18. Hartford
19. Cornwall
20. Philadelphia
21. Detroit
22. Boston
23. Colorado
24. Toronto
25. Seattle
26. Suffolk
27. Adirondack
28. Alaska
29. Johnstown
30. New York
31. Cincinnati
32. Halifax
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