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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 21, 2016 9:29:08 GMT -5
Schultz should make more than Trotman, I couldn't think of one reason why he would ask less. Trotman is 25, career high 38 games played last season, 67 total NHL games. Schultz is 26, 266 NHL games. Pretty simple, ones an NHL Defenseman and one isn't...yet.
Troutman's NHL salary = 650K Schultz's NHL salary = 1.4M
Would also like to address Dane's comment about who would or should make more, a 60-60 Dman or a 30-85. Most likely they would be very close but the NHL is proving that offensive Defenseman are worth their weight in gold. Obviously, we want well rounded, 2 way guys. Stay at home D have a value, offensive D have a value. The latter get shunned in the G as Dane's arguement proves but that is an error that our managers continue to make. I will take the 60-60 guy over the 30-85 but I'd rather have both and pair them up.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 21, 2016 9:34:30 GMT -5
Players NHL salaries cannot be used in an apples to apples comparison here. We are valuing what the current card is and can't compare that to the last contract that a player signed. You can figure which one would be more given the target points I posted earlier.
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 21, 2016 9:35:17 GMT -5
So does 5.25M sound more realistic? Because that is what you could get him for with a 75 percent discount for drafted players coming off of ELC Yes, that does sound better. But, that's after the discount. 5.2 sounds like a more realistic asking price to me.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jul 21, 2016 9:35:51 GMT -5
So does 5.25M sound more realistic? Because that is what you could get him for with a 75 percent discount for drafted players coming off of ELC According to the rule book: "Tier I (Drafted Players ELC) ** Can be matched by owning team if cap permits by paying the player 75% of highest offer or the players asking price whichever is higher ** " Read more: gtgfhl.proboards.com/thread/3370/rule-book#ixzz4F3OupiaGI always forget with RFAI. If nobody bids on that player can he be retained at 90% or 75%?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 21, 2016 9:36:48 GMT -5
I believe it's 75%
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 21, 2016 9:37:34 GMT -5
Do we get a 25% discount if no bids are placed? Couldn't find this in the rulebook but I don't believe we have in the past.
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jul 21, 2016 9:39:39 GMT -5
And, according to the rules, if another owner bids you can only retain at 75% IF it's above the player's asking price. So in that $7.1 million example, if somebody bid $7.1, Suffolk would have to match at $7.1 because that's higher than the 25% discount. Is that correct?
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Jul 21, 2016 9:39:49 GMT -5
I just think the asking price, is like putting the Apple cart before the horse.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 21, 2016 9:43:02 GMT -5
Players NHL salaries cannot be used in an apples to apples comparison here. We are valuing what the current card is and can't compare that to the last contract that a player signed. You can figure which one would be more given the target points I posted earlier. Oh, sorry, I thought your whole point in this was to get players closer to their NHL salaries as you stated. My point, with or without the NHL salary comparison is that overall, not just based on a single card, Schultz is the more valuable player. The managers in this league continue to think that a higher number under that red D means that the player is a better Defenseman
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 21, 2016 9:43:55 GMT -5
And, according to the rules, if another owner bids you can only retain at 75% IF it's above the player's asking price. So in that $7.1 million example, if somebody bid $7.1, Suffolk would have to match at $7.1 because that's higher than the 25% discount. Is that correct? That's what the rulebook says
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 21, 2016 9:54:27 GMT -5
I think the rule is if you bid on your own player you lose the discount. But if not you can match 75 percent of the max bid or asking price whichever is higher.
In regards to asking prices yes it is meant to get closer.to actual salaries but you can't compare a salary that was given a few years back to what their card is worth now. The only way to do this was look at what a player received this off season and compare that to what the players current cards asking price is.
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Post by Scott-New York on Jul 21, 2016 10:05:54 GMT -5
Schultz was just given the 1.4, so if we take his asking price of 2.55 and apply the 25%, he lands at 1.9125. JT Miller just signed for 2.75 per and would land at 2.683125 with the 25% discount. Not far off...
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 21, 2016 10:27:44 GMT -5
Also with Schultz the argument could be made that he gave Pitt a discount because he wanted to stay there and given the fact that the pens are on some cap difficulty right now
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Post by Brian-Cleveland on Jul 21, 2016 12:04:46 GMT -5
I think once the stamina for AHL players is fixed that asking prices should be good. Now comes the asking prices on goalies!
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Jul 21, 2016 15:00:39 GMT -5
Marcus Johanson 82-36 stam 5
NHL signed the other day: ~4.6M per year
GHL Asking 3.77M
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