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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 14, 2012 15:56:28 GMT -5
I see you (owners) looking at this post and not responding......what do you think Scott ?
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Post by Scott-New York on Oct 14, 2012 16:35:52 GMT -5
I'm still reeling from the ass beating Vokoun took at the hands of Darren Helm last night. I'm unsure if there are or should be a set amount of games a goalie can play before becoming fatigued. I would think that playing back to back would take a toll however I don't like basing things on a certain amount of games, we should take into affect nights off between games, if my tender plays 3 games in 5 nights, I expect him to be tired, but if he then has 4 days between games, he should be rested even if my team has no game on the schedule. What we've discussed in the past indicates that he can't fully recover unless I put in my back-up. Has this been the case? Am I missing something? What seems to be the issue we would like to see resolved?
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Post by Dane-Hamilton on Oct 14, 2012 17:00:01 GMT -5
"Several factors are taken into account including days since last start however the lesser of all statuses is used when determining a goalies final status. The reason a goalie is not refreshed after 4-5 days off automatically is that a backup goalie in the NHL who plays 10 games would be able to play 40 games int he FHL if you gave them 4-5 days off between starts. Total games played over the past 30 and 60 days are taken into account as well so that backup goalies with great stats are not over used."
Gonna have to agree with the current code, While I agree a goalie should be rested after 4 days as Glenn points out above a backup would be able to carry the majority of the workload then. If we implemented that it would take down the value of guys like Jon Quick, Carey Price, and Cam Ward who you can play 60-70 games as a green/blue goalie.
Just my two cents but seems pretty realistic as I can play backstrom a few games before having to go to Harding which is essentially what Minnesota did last year. (Although I knowthey did stick with the streaky goalie on occasion.)
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Post by Chris-Suffolk on Oct 14, 2012 18:18:31 GMT -5
I agree with Dane for the most part...I dont want to see career "Back Up's" as Regular Starters in the FHL.
I think the current system is working ok for now...
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 14, 2012 18:47:25 GMT -5
"Several factors are taken into account including days since last start however the lesser of all statuses is used when determining a goalies final status. The reason a goalie is not refreshed after 4-5 days off automatically is that a backup goalie in the NHL who plays 10 games would be able to play 40 games int he FHL if you gave them 4-5 days off between starts. Total games played over the past 30 and 60 days are taken into account as well so that backup goalies with great stats are not over used." Gonna have to agree with the current code, While I agree a goalie should be rested after 4 days as Glenn points out above a backup would be able to carry the majority of the workload then. If we implemented that it would take down the value of guys like Jon Quick, Carey Price, and Cam Ward who you can play 60-70 games as a green/blue goalie. Just my two cents but seems pretty realistic as I can play backstrom a few games before having to go to Harding which is essentially what Minnesota did last year. (Although I knowthey did stick with the streaky goalie on occasion.) Thanks for digging that post up Dane. Nothing has changed from last year to this in regards to goalie status. A safe rule of thumb is if your goalie's stamina sums to greater than 10 (whether that be 2 or 3 guys), you should be good to go. |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 14, 2012 18:48:18 GMT -5
I'm still reeling from the ass beating Vokoun took at the hands of Darren Helm last night. I'm unsure if there are or should be a set amount of games a goalie can play before becoming fatigued. I would think that playing back to back would take a toll however I don't like basing things on a certain amount of games, we should take into affect nights off between games, if my tender plays 3 games in 5 nights, I expect him to be tired, but if he then has 4 days between games, he should be rested even if my team has no game on the schedule. What we've discussed in the past indicates that he can't fully recover unless I put in my back-up. Has this been the case? Am I missing something? What seems to be the issue we would like to see resolved? I just haven't had time to post on the players on the block but Helm is available for anyone interested. All that it will cost you is a 40+ d-man, a 45+ center and 2 1st round picks. That is chump change for a player who is projecting out right now at 328 goals this year.  |
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Post by John-Michigan on Oct 14, 2012 19:20:44 GMT -5
So since my team has 3 days off nobody will be refreshed? I'm a bit hazy on this. Thought we were keeping thins as real as possible?
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 14, 2012 19:26:18 GMT -5
So since my team has 3 days off nobody will be refreshed? I'm a bit hazy on this. Thought we were keeping thins as real as possible? We are. Backup goalies in the NHL do not get to play like starters in the FHL. That's as real as it gets. Goalies that have the great stamina will be able to play more games and remain fresh (blue). The goalies who are green are still good to go but they just aren't fresh. No need to worry about losing points/performance until your guy turns yellow or worse. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 15, 2012 11:41:47 GMT -5
So ONE game is all Budaj gets before he gets tired ? Ridiculous.
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 15, 2012 12:24:53 GMT -5
So ONE game is all Budaj gets before he gets tired ? Ridiculous. In this case yes. As was mentioned in the previous post there are several things taken into account including pct of games played and the fact that the determining factor is based on the lowest return from all of the checks. Seeing as Budaj has played 100% of his teams games to date, I am assuming that this rating will be the one that is returned. Do I think he would be physically tired after playing one game? No. the rating is there to keep guys from overusing/overworking backup goaltenders who have decent cards. |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 15, 2012 12:38:43 GMT -5
fair enough...I'll alternate him and Bob and after a dozen or so games, we can get more of an accurate accounting.
We have to strike a balance at realism here and not cater to the 'uber goalies' and overspending owners. After all.... realistically, there is NOT a TON of difference in ability to MOST tenders, a la all those detroit stiffs that win cups due to the team more than their goalie ability.
I hope we strive for realism and not 'gaming' the league.
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 15, 2012 13:08:33 GMT -5
"Several factors are taken into account including days since last start however the lesser of all statuses is used when determining a goalies final status. The reason a goalie is not refreshed after 4-5 days off automatically is that a backup goalie in the NHL who plays 10 games would be able to play 40 games int he FHL if you gave them 4-5 days off between starts. Total games played over the past 30 and 60 days are taken into account as well so that backup goalies with great stats are not over used." Gonna have to agree with the current code, While I agree a goalie should be rested after 4 days as Glenn points out above a backup would be able to carry the majority of the workload then. If we implemented that it would take down the value of guys like Jon Quick, Carey Price, and Cam Ward who you can play 60-70 games as a green/blue goalie. Just my two cents but seems pretty realistic as I can play backstrom a few games before having to go to Harding which is essentially what Minnesota did last year. (Although I knowthey did stick with the streaky goalie on occasion.) see....this don't sit well wit me. Nah'd at all.... this is deliberately nerfing the back-up. Some NHL"back ups" are waiting in the wings and CAN play the remainder of a season excellently when called upon, due to injury of the primary tander. Gotta strike a balance for realism and not 'nerffing' for games-sake.... |
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 15, 2012 13:27:55 GMT -5
"Several factors are taken into account including days since last start however the lesser of all statuses is used when determining a goalies final status. The reason a goalie is not refreshed after 4-5 days off automatically is that a backup goalie in the NHL who plays 10 games would be able to play 40 games int he FHL if you gave them 4-5 days off between starts. Total games played over the past 30 and 60 days are taken into account as well so that backup goalies with great stats are not over used." Gonna have to agree with the current code, While I agree a goalie should be rested after 4 days as Glenn points out above a backup would be able to carry the majority of the workload then. If we implemented that it would take down the value of guys like Jon Quick, Carey Price, and Cam Ward who you can play 60-70 games as a green/blue goalie. Just my two cents but seems pretty realistic as I can play backstrom a few games before having to go to Harding which is essentially what Minnesota did last year. (Although I knowthey did stick with the streaky goalie on occasion.) see....this don't sit well wit me. Nah'd at all.... this is deliberately nerfing the back-up. Some NHL"back ups" are waiting in the wings and CAN play the remainder of a season excellently when called upon, due to injury of the primary tander. Gotta strike a balance for realism and not 'nerffing' for games-sake.... Well once they make it out of the wings and become starting goalies with commensurate starts they will have the stamina rating to reflect said accomplishment. Until then, they are backups in the NHL for the reason. A prime example for me is Pharaoh tender Bernier. One of the best NHL backups currently out there. That being said, I am not carping about him being "nerfed". |
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Post by Phil-Cornwall on Oct 15, 2012 15:47:16 GMT -5
Touche' / Douche' ....then riddle me this:
Bobrovsky has proven himself in the NHL to be able to handle the workload of a Starting Goalie but he had to play second fiddle to the Universe last season.
His Stamina should be @ 8, methinks.
Legitimate Carp !
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Post by Glenn-Philadelphia on Oct 15, 2012 16:43:42 GMT -5
Touche' / Douche' ....then riddle me this: Bobrovsky has proven himself in the NHL to be able to handle the workload of a Starting Goalie but he had to play second fiddle to the Universe last season. His Stamina should be @ 8, methinks. Legitimate Carp ! No riddle necessary. Let's see, using your same logic... Mike Knuble is a proven NHL winger, Hell, the MFer had 30 goals a few years back. I know he only had 6 goals last year but seeing as he is a legitimate NHL power forward, his offense should be more like 45 then the 30 his current card says it is. Reality check. Ratings are based on last years stats and last years stats alone. There is no fudge factor that goes into the ratings it is based on cold hard numbers and cold hard numbers alone. Sorry Mike, I know you are a legitimate power forward and you missed ice time last year and played on the 4th line for long stretches but your numbers are what your numbers are. Here is your 30 OAF-FENSE. Go away and be happy that it isn't 25. Unless you or someone else can provide some empirical evidence to suggest otherwise, the goalie fatigue system will remain as it has been for the past year and their will be no adjustments made to any stamina ratings. |
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